Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

In the Australian ISP's case (which is what started this) it's rather
worse.

The local telco monopoly bills between $30 and $50 per month for access
to the copper tail.

So there's essentially no such thing as a $19.99/month connection here
(except for short-lived "flash-in-the-pan" loss-leaders, and we all know
how they turn out)

So to run the numbers: A customer who averages .25Mbit/sec on a tail acquired
from the incumbent requires --

   Port/line rental from the telco ~ $50
   IP transit ~ $ 6 (your number)
   Transpacific backhaul ~ $50 (I'm not making this up)

These look like great places for some improvement.

Like I said a few messages ago, as much as your marketplace derides
caps and quotas, I'm pretty sure that most of you would prefer to do
business with my constraints than with yours.

That's nice from *your* point of view, as an ISP, but from the end-user's
point of view, it discourages the development and deployment of the next
killer app, which is the point that I've been making.

... JG

> So to run the numbers: A customer who averages .25Mbit/sec on a tail acquired

> > from the incumbent requires --
> >
> > Port/line rental from the telco ~ $50
> > IP transit ~ $ 6 (your number)
> > Transpacific backhaul ~ $50 (I'm not making this up)
>
> These look like great places for some improvement.

Of course.

Transpacific backhaul may drop in price once the AJC/Southern Cross duopoly
is broken. Perhaps 2009, we'll have to see.

Port/line rental? Ha. We have an incumbent telco who owns 100% of the
copper local loop, who is so aggressive about protecting their monopoly
that they've actually sued the Federal Government to obtain relief from
the requirement to offer wholesale access to the local loop to their
competitors.

The competition regulator has recently imposed an order on them to
drop their price of access to the raw copper; The incumbent's response
has been to initiate a national political debate during the present
federal election campaign campaign over the merits of a nation-wide
Fiber-To-The-Node network which, just coincidentally, requires the
exclusion of competition to make the numbers in the business case add
up.

So I wouldn't be holding my breath about that one.

> > Like I said a few messages ago, as much as your marketplace derides
> > caps and quotas, I'm pretty sure that most of you would prefer to do
> > business with my constraints than with yours.
>
> That's nice from *your* point of view, as an ISP, but from the end-user's
> point of view, it discourages the development and deployment of the next
> killer app, which is the point that I've been making.

Generalizing:

We're living in an environment where European service providers use
DPI boxes to shape just about everyone to about 40 Gbytes per month,
and where US service providers have enough congestion in their
reticulation networks that the phrase "unlimited access" carries ironic
overtones, and where Australian and New Zealand service providers give
uncongested access at unconstrained ADSL2+ rates for as much capacity
as an end user is prepared to pay for, and Asian ISPs where in-country
is cheap but international is slow and expensive (but nobody cares
because they don't speak English and don't need international content
anyway), and most of the rest of the world is so expensive that hardly
anyone uses it anyway.

If there's another killer app on the way, there are enough global
constraints on its development that I reckon Australian ISPs' business
cases probably aren't the be-all and end-all of its developmental
merits.

Five years ago the typical .au quota was 3Gbytes per month. Now it's
more like 30 - 50 Gbytes per month. If there's a killer app there'll
no doubt be commercial pressure on ISPs to bump it again. But until
said app comes along? Well, it isn't an ISPs job to subsidize the
R&D overheads of application developers, is it?

The point here is that you guys in the US have a particular market
dynamic that's shaped your perspective of what "reasonable" is. It's
completely delusional of you to insist that the rest of the world
follow the same definition of "reaosnable", *ESPECIALLY* when the rest
of the world is subsidizing your domestic Internet by paying for all
the international transit.

  - mark

This doesn't fit with my picture of european broadband at all. Most markets are developing into flat rate ones without per-minute or per-traffic charges, and residential broadband is closing in on 50-70% market penetration all across the continent, with the northern part being a bit ahead of the southern part.

Competition is so fierce that a lot of ISPs are electing to get out of certain markets due to uncertainty of future profits even with quite slim organisations and tight budgets on technology without ATM etc (IP dslams). France for instance, it's hard to make any money unless you sell triple play and try to make total profits on the combined services, just selling one doesn't work.

It's not uncommon for low-bandwidth (.25-.5 megabit/s) residential access to be in the USD15/month range and 24 meg costing USD30-50 per month including tax. This is without any monthly quota at all, ie flatrate.

5-10% of swedish households have the possiblity to purchase 100/10 over CAT5 for USD50 a month including 25% sales tax, without any quota, and they can actually use the speeds. Some even have 100/100.

Recipe for this is to have competitive markets with copper being deregulated and resold at a decent price. Bitstream with incumbant providing access just doesn't work, new services such as multicast IPTV doesn't work over bitstream.

In a lot of continental europe ISPs can purchase wholesale internet in the gigabit range for USD6-15/meg/month depending on country and if it includes national traffic or not.

Having a competitive market with a lot of players makes all the difference.

5-10% of swedish households have the possiblity to purchase 100/10 over
CAT5 for USD50 a month including 25% sales tax, without any quota, and
they can actually use the speeds. Some even have 100/100.

from japan that seems pretty normal, except for it being available for
such a small proportion of the population.

north america is a ridiculous back-water with insanely high prices for
negligible bandwidth. in hawai`i i pay $70/mo for just layer two of
768k. tokyo is significantly less money for usable 100m/100m.

randy

... a month including 25% sales tax

                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

and we are complaining about download quotas, ouch