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We were an old AGIS customer.. I guess we are still on their mailing list.

here it is:

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AGIS/Net99 (NETBLK-NET99-BLK4) NET99-BLK4 205.198.0.0 - 205.199.255.0
Cyber Promotions Inc (NETBLK-CYBERPROMO-205-199) CYBERPROMO-205-199
                                               205.199.212.0 - 205.199.212.255

Nothing comes without a price.

Dima
just speculating

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==>AGIS/Net99 (NETBLK-NET99-BLK4) NET99-BLK4 205.198.0.0 - 205.199.255.0
==>Cyber Promotions Inc (NETBLK-CYBERPROMO-205-199) CYBERPROMO-205-199
==> 205.199.212.0 - 205.199.212.255
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==>Nothing comes without a price.
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==>Dima
==>just speculating
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In addition, one can take a look at the auto-mail sent back from mailing
abuse@agis.net... It states that Agis thinks that the internet should be
free market, and basically states the idea that "spam is where it's
at". They go on to claim that all the high management at AGIS reads
abuse@agis.net; however, I'd be willing to lay $5 on the table to say that
most of it is procmailed to /dev/null.

Craig
just speculating

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If you had been following the traffic in news.admin.net-abuse.email over
the past couple of months, you would not need to speculate, nor would you
be surprised that AGIS has been under attack for several weeks.

I certainly don't condone any attacks on AGIS but I think this should be a
lesson that Internet users expect a certain standard of behavior from
network providers. While there may be no legal imperative to force network
providers to ehave in a certain way, the will of the people has a way of
making itself felt and we ignore it at our peril.

In the final analysis, there is no money to be made from harboring
customers that abuse the network. The Internet structure is such that it
requires a minimum level of cooperation from providers to even function
and activities which directly or indirectly abuse the infrastructure need
to be curbed.

Fidonet had an interesting pair of commandments that I think applies to
other networks as well, such as the Internet:

   1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.

   2) Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

I'll let you ponder the implications of those two statements on your own.
If you are interested in the policy document that stems from these two
principles, have a look at http://www.fidonet.org/fidonet/policy4.txt
BTW, I'm not at all suggesting that the Internet needs anything like this
Fidonet policy, but it does seem to me that network abuse is a social
problem, and that a big part of the solution will be to succintly define
what is good and what is bad in order to more easily communicate this to
others.

Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting
Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049
http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com

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AGIS/Net99 (NETBLK-NET99-BLK4) NET99-BLK4 205.198.0.0 - 205.199.255.0
Cyber Promotions Inc (NETBLK-CYBERPROMO-205-199) CYBERPROMO-205-199
                                               205.199.212.0 - 205.199.212.255

Nothing comes without a price.

Dima
just speculating

If you had been following the traffic in news.admin.net-abuse.email over
the past couple of months, you would not need to speculate, nor would you
be surprised that AGIS has been under attack for several weeks.

No, I hadn't been following the newsgroup - it was the first thing that came to
my mind. BTW, thanks for mentioning it - I've checked it out, and I must say
that I liked the idea that all this attack-talk is just a cover-up of AGIS's
incompetence.

Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting

Cheers

Dima