The Chicken or the Egg.

Well the subject describes my frustration.

We are a small ISP that currently has 6 /24s. Over the last year we have inked some deals for some hotels and apartment complexes that would push us over the required /20 to get our own allocation. Many of these locations are new sites nearing their completion so with in 90 to 120 days. The first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6 weeks and the vendor that handle the hospitality networks want their addresses now. The road block has been that ARIN wants us to get the remaining /24s from our upstream, assign them to our customers then get our /20, then renumber out network. Many of these hotels are big chains and they don’t seem to want deal with this not to mention it makes us look even smaller.

In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the wrong verbage. Would the 4.2.1.4 Slow Start apply in my case? What about the 4.2.6 for Cable Operators? It seems kind of unfair, if I read this correctly, that they gain IPs biased on the number of homes that could purchase service. We have a WiSP network with a very large foot print where I am using most of my address space. I wan’t to minimize renumbering my customers.

To add to this I want to be portable. Since AT&T has bought BellSouth my upstream provider is now declaring war on me. But this is a rant for another time.

If you're multihomed, which everyone should be, there's a smaller
requirement.

--Mike

In a message written on Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:03:17PM -0400, list account wrote:

   90 to 120 days. The first 6 locations complete over the next 2 to 6
   weeks and the vendor that handle the hospitality networks want their
   addresses now. The road block has been that ARIN wants us to get the

Perhaps you could work with them to understand why they need to
know their addresses 6 weeks out. That seems rather silly.

   In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the small
   operator. Maybe I got someone on a bad day or maybe I am using the

It's not that ARIN doesn't want to work with small operators, but
rather if ARIN had a nickle for everyone who came to them saying
"I'm going to use a /16 in three weeks, really, I promise" it would
be a trillion dollar enterprise, and we would have burned through
all the address space 10 years ago.

Not that it helps you much, but ARIN's policies are 100% created
by the public. You can submit a policy change, and/or attend a
meeting in an effort to change the policy. More information is at
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/.

The bar is high, but your best chance may be 4.2.1.6
(http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four216), "Immediate Need".
This policy is unfortunately vague, and in fact there are two policy
proposals for the next meeting that make it more clear:
http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_9.html
http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_10.html

Note that those are not policy yet, but both are being proposed
because of ARIN's staff concerns about how the rubber hits the road,
so to speak.

I suggest you call and talk to a rep on the phone. Explain your
situation. I have no doubt they will want to see supporting
documentation (e.g. contracts, network maps) but I believe you have
a chance at getting addresses 30 days out (or so) if everything
looks good.

If I'm completely off base (which is always possible) I'm sure the rep
can tell you the shortest path between you and more IP addresses.

http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222

4.2.2 is the allocation to ISPs section; therefore 4.2.2.2 would be a part
of that. It states under that multihomed section that if you can
demonstrate efficient usage of a /23, you can receive a /22 from ARIN.

--Mike

Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:03:17 -0400
From: list account

In my limited experience ARIN seems to not want to work with the
small operator.

Half a dozen years back, I'd have agreed and then some. For the past
few years, I'd beg to differ.

Judging by the rest of your message, I wouldn't sweat things.

Eddy