says the solemn headline of Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/06/ninternet106.xml
Also related to this one, here:
"Web could collapse as video demand soars"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/07/nweb107.xml
.. and we in Nanog are still discussing IPv6! 
It's because we don't have a hadron demolition derby to power our American
interwebs:
    "The power of the grid will be unlocked this summer with the switching
     on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)."
                                -Bill
> says the solemn headline of Telegraph.
> .. and we in Nanog are still discussing IPv6!It's because we don't have a hadron demolition derby to power our American
interwebs:"The power of the grid will be unlocked this summer with the switching
on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)."
Glen Kent wrote:
says the solemn headline of Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/06/ninternet106.xml
It is always good to see that journalists don't know that "Networks" are also used for other purposes than their daily dose of nonsense (also called the Internet or World Wide Web for the web-only portion etc)
Also related to this one, here:
"Web could collapse as video demand soars"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/07/nweb107.xml.. and we in Nanog are still discussing IPv6!
The CERN LHC (Large Hadron Collider) is a nice toy. They had an Open Day (Cern Authentication) yesterday, which was really impressive. No more Open Days in the tunnel are planned for the next couple of years, thus for everybody who missed it:
http://gallery.unfix.org/2008/2008-04-06-cern-lhc/
Greets,
Jeroen
Bill Woodcock wrote:
Also http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080330 and
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080406
    --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
So, the internet was created in Switzerland at Cern's particle physics center? Can someone look up Al Gore's passport history and tell us when he spent time there?
Bill Woodcock wrote:
> says the solemn headline of Telegraph.
> .. and we in Nanog are still discussing IPv6!
It's because we don't have a hadron demolition derby to power our American interwebs:
"The power of the grid will be unlocked this summer with the switching on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)."And those of us that live next to the LHC wonder if we will be sucked into a {vortex|wormhole}.
If you are, it won't matter if you live near it or not.
Regards
Marshall
Subject: Superfast internet may replace world wide web
says the solemn headline of Telegraph.
Hasn't your mummy told you not to believe everything that
you read in the papers? Especially when it involves technology!
In any case, there is no new Internet here, just an
engineered P2P network (or call it a CDN if you will) that
is intended to distribute 15 million gigs per year of data
to scientists who crunch that data on virtual supercomputer
clusters known as the Grid. They do all of this on the Internet
today, except for big data transfers for which most countries
have build special academic IP networks.
The Grid is rather like Amazon's EC2 and this CERN project is
rather like Amazon's S3.
Yes, I agree with the Telegraph that P2P and cloud computing
Amazon style, are indeed the wave of the future, but they won't
replace the web or the Internet. They are just another theme
being added to the Internet recipe. It's just like Heston
Blumenthal's cuisine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heston_Blumenthal>;
it's still food, it's still served in restaurants and it still
counts towards his three Michelin stars.
Still, I don't expect bacon and eggs ice cream to come to
Baskin Robbins anytime soon.
--Michael Dillon
I doubt it:
http://www.geant2.net/server/show/nav.00d00h001003
"The structure of the LHC Computing Grid (LCG) is to distribute the data first to 12 Tier 1 sites, each connected to Tier 0 (CERN) by a dedicated wavelength switched path of 10Gbps. These paths are provided by the new hybrid (IP routed/ wavelength switched) structure of G?ANT2. Corresponding dark-fibre lightpaths will be provided by each of the European NRENs involved."
So within Europe, much of the LHC data will move via paths that not even part of the Internet/Geant2 infrastructure:
http://www.geant2.net/upload/pdf/PUB-07-179_GN2_Topology_Jan_08_final.pdf
Just look for the black links which are all dark fiber out of Switzerland.
Also, LHC will generate 15Petabytes per annum - not Gigabytes or Terabytes as some media have stated.
-Hank
I love those!
I also love the top story here, especially the last sentence:
So yoy get higher bandwidth (physical pipe allowing) by downloading from a
"grid" of systems.
Sounds suspiciously like somebody has re-invented BitTorrent?
(Sorry, am in a cynical mood today..
That and someone can't tell the difference between a network and an application that runs in a network.
Sounds about right... so maybe one of the benefits of spending most of my time on the road. I might not actually be there when they power it up.
T
