Disturbing information on one of the founders of Spamhaus.org
From Deep Throat, received 17/3/04, 21:10 +0000 (GMT):
Disturbing information on one of the founders of Spamhaus.org
Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
Not just a load of BS, but posted to NANOG anonymously, through a hijacked machine at 198.26.130.36 (The Pentagon) no less.
federal interest site. thats automatic prison time, isnt it?
i suspect the culprit could be prosecuted under PATRIOT, and sent away for
quite a _long_ time...
-Dan
I believe under USC18 there is a section that clearly states hacking a government computer can get you a maximum of 30 years in federal prison and a $250,000.00 fine
Please correct me if that postscription of law has been vacated…
-Henry
Has that actually been confirmed. Any machine associated with the path
could have been compromised including systems with transitive trust which
may not appear in the e-mail headers.
Occam's Razor would say the message most likely did originated where it
says it originated. But when I just checked it wasn't listed in any of
the major block lists of compromised hosts (spamcop does list it as a
spam source), and the Pentagon hasn't confirmed the computer was compromised.
Not just a load of BS, but posted to NANOG anonymously, through a
>> hijacked machine at 198.26.130.36 (The Pentagon) no less.
> Has that actually been confirmed. Any machine associated with
> the path could have been compromised including systems with
> transitive trust which may not appear in the e-mail headers.
> Occam's Razor would say the message most likely did originated
> where it says it originated.
Occam's Razor says that the .mil host is an open web proxy. What, you
thought that .mil systems would be secure?
> But when I just checked it wasn't listed in any of the major
> block lists of compromised hosts (spamcop does list it as a
> spam source),
The spamcop listing is very recent, and I'd bet a large sum it is based
on nothing more than reports of that specific message.
Other lists like DSBL and CBL would not list the proxy unless it is
capable of being abused for CONNECT or POST to port 25. Many proxies
are wide open for normal web access (which is sufficient to send email
via Hotmail) but not abusable for direct SMTP use, and these proxies
are not found by email-centered detection methods.
> From Deep Throat, received 17/3/04, 21:10 +0000 (GMT):
> > Disturbing information on one of the founders of Spamhaus.org
> > Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
> Not just a load of BS, but posted to NANOG anonymously, through a
> hijacked machine at 198.26.130.36 (The Pentagon) no less.federal interest site. thats automatic prison time, isnt it?
Of course, not - he is not from USA (more likely), the end.
Why people believe, that this acts means ANYTHING? In Internet, they (acts)
means NOTHING.
Alexei Roudnev wrote:
Of course, not - he is not from USA (more likely), the end.
Why people believe, that this acts means ANYTHING? In Internet, they
(acts) means NOTHING.
Unless they live in a country that has a "secret" treaty with the US, like
the UK has had for some years, where any US court can issue and arrest
warrant for someone in the UK and have it honoured. Why do you think that
FBI is even allowed to get involved in arresting 14 year old hackers in
Cardiff ?
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the terms are
secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals. Wonder what other
countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
Peter
Peter Galbavy wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the terms are
secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals. Wonder what other
countries have sold their souls to Satan ?
How many dead soldiers from your country are buried here?
So, the US gov't is "Satan" going after "innocent" hackers in Wales? It
still boggles my mind how prevelant this shallow, trendy attitude is in
Europe, even among supposedly educated people. Why think when you can
just join the crowd spewing ignorance, as long as it sounds Bohemian and
anti-establishment?
PS: Without Satan, there would be no Internet for you to express your
considered opions on.
James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
up@3.am http://3.am
up@3.am wrote:
So, the US gov't is "Satan" going after "innocent" hackers in Wales?
No, but the US government is apparently now allowed to arrest and
extradite a child from the UK without having to show a judge good cause -
which is *not* true in reverse, or for any other country. Up until
recently, the US authorities would have had to make a case for extradition
and/or arrest to a UK judge before the local plod would even be informed
that there was an interest in the kid....
Yes, its a worrying development. No, it isn't particularly evil (just more
evidence the american government thinks their laws should apply worldwide)
or even marginally on-topic for Nanog.
The "Child" you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same applied for
the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even questioning the UK. If the US
Government is Satan then I suppose I am going to hell, because I sure as hell
support it.
Josh Brady
up@3.am wrote:
PS: Without Satan, there would be no Internet for you to express your
considered opions on.
So the work at the University of London was just incidental ?
Peter
Dave Howe wrote:
cause - which is *not* true in reverse, or for any other country. Up
until recently, the US authorities would have had to make a case for
extradition and/or arrest to a UK judge before the local plod would
even be informed that there was an interest in the kid....
Not that recent, I believe the original "treaty" (a touch one sided for a
treaty) was signed in 1998.
Peter
Joshua Brady wrote:
The "Child" you speak of caused destruction over a network, the same
applied for the 2 hackers here who were sent over without even
questioning the UK. If the US Government is Satan then I suppose I am
going to hell, because I sure as hell support it.
Do you support the converse, where some little s*** hacks my London network
from some random US college ? At the moment, I have no recourse of any kind
and the UK authorities have no power, and as a consequence, no interest.
Peter
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the
terms are secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals.
Wonder what other countries have sold their souls to Satan ?How many dead soldiers from your country are buried here?
A very sad, now old, and misused argument to justify (a lack of regard for)
current global opinion about your home country.
Peter
Peter Galbavy wrote:
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Peter Galbavy wrote:
OK, it isn't secret - since I know about it for a start - but the
terms are secret and also it is very under-advertised to the locals.
Wonder what other countries have sold their souls to Satan ?How many dead soldiers from your country are buried here?
A very sad, now old, and misused argument to justify (a lack of regard for)
current global opinion about your home country.
I'm glad there is still a Wales for you to post your opinions from.
No, it isn't particularly evil (just more evidence the american
> government thinks their laws should apply worldwide).
Well, like any tool, it's not inherently evil, it just depends how it's
used. And in all likelihood, if it's used with respect to England,
in all likelihood it'll be used in moderation, since England has some
political visibility of its own.
The problem that I've seen in the work I do overseas is the coercive
methods and the economic side-effects thereof which the US State
Department use to affect these agreements in countries which have less
visibility than England.
So I don't support this sort of non-reciprocal extradition agreement.
Largely because I find it offensive to reduce or circumvent the
constitutional rights guaranteed by other soverign nations to their
citizens.
-Bill
up@3.am wrote:
So, the US gov't is "Satan" going after "innocent" hackers in Wales?
It still boggles my mind how prevelant this shallow, trendy attitude
is in Europe, even among supposedly educated people. Why think when
you can just join the crowd spewing ignorance, as long as it sounds
Bohemian and anti-establishment?PS: Without Satan, there would be no Internet for you to express your
considered opions on.
I think the US comes across as a very righteous country to the rest of the
world, with all the good and bad conatations that brings with it.
right�eous
adj.
1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger, righteous indignation.
"Fearless in his righteous cause."
- Milton.
"I prefer the most unfair peace to the most righteous war."
- Cicero.
"People must have righteous principals in the first, and then they will not
fail to perform virtuous actions."
- Martin Luther
"Lord save us from the fury of the righteous"
- Unknown
Anyway, I should get back to some actual network engineering and less
popcorn eating, diverting as this thread is.
Sam