We do its called FIOS.
well... hard to tell...
Secure Connection Failed
asahi-net.jp uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
that said, can I get FIOS w/o any other
Verizon crap? I just want the fiber transport
to an exchange... want my own ISP/peering, not
theirs. They wont sell it.
--bill
Hello Bill ,
well... hard to tell...
Secure Connection Failed
asahi-net.jp uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
that said, can I get FIOS w/o any other
Verizon crap? I just want the fiber transport
to an exchange... want my own ISP/peering, not
theirs. They wont sell it.--bill
Anyone find a 'Commodity' seller of IP connectivity that will provide that ?I haven't in a Number of years now .
Imo , it appears to be company cowardice . But then again alot can go wrong even if you filter correctly .
But I'd really like to find a provider that 'Can' . Just like the little train .
Twyal , JimL
well... hard to tell...
Secure Connection Failed
asahi-net.jp uses an invalid security certificate.
The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is not trusted.
that said, can I get FIOS w/o any other
Verizon crap? I just want the fiber transport
to an exchange... want my own ISP/peering, not
theirs. They wont sell it.
--bill
[Sorry to bring this back towards the topic at hand, but....]
that said, can I get FIOS w/o any other
Verizon crap? I just want the fiber transport
to an exchange... want my own ISP/peering, not
theirs. They wont sell it.Anyone find a 'Commodity' seller of IP connectivity that will provide that ?I haven't in a Number of years now .
Imo , it appears to be company cowardice . But then again alot can go wrong even if you filter correctly .
But I'd really like to find a provider that 'Can' . Just like the little train .
First, I should say that I am not defending VZ or any other company.
However, I don't think it's fair to claim VZ sells FIOS and therefore should also sell dark. The two items are vastly different services. I seriously doubt "cowardice" is stopping VZ from giving bill fiber. Hell, they'd likely make a LOT more money off selling him dark than selling him FIOS.
There are lots of providers in major metros (where I know bill lives) that sell things like 10 Mbps point-to-point circuits. But dark fiber is frequently hard to come by even between two telco hotels in the same city. Asking for dark fiber from $RANDOM_HOUSE to, well, anywhere, that's going to be just a little out of the ordinary.
So if you want to complain about something, complain about something reasonable. Lord knows the telecos have given us enough targets.
I gather that the company providing FIOS is an unreg subsidiary, and a
CLEC, and therefore doesn't have to *sell* you transport, voice or
data. How they get to be in the wire centers, I'm not clear, though i
understand they are.
I *do* have the FIOS Tampa and National NOC phone numbers, if anyone
needs them; the St Pete Times did a piece on them when they first
rolled out, and were indelicate enough to use a high-res pic of their
warroom as the lede, with the numbers clearly readable. 
Cheers,
-- jra