better lay coverage in al jazeera
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2009/07/2009730775992910.html
randy
In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon.
I wonder how long it will take to get a ship there ...
Regards,
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
In other news, Nigerian Scams at an all time low this morning/afternoon.
Unfortunately a lot of the Nigerian scams run out of Dutch coffee
shops/internet cafes and thus won't be affected.
Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no
Since some time ago I've been getting them through .cn sites and new variants
like "I won the $500K Toyota Bingo" ?? ... can't believe that still some people
fall for the scam.
Cheers
Jorge
Jorge Amodio wrote:
Randy Bush wrote:
better lay coverage in al jazeera
Thanks, Randy.
Making this more on-topic, the map show many hops down. How can a single
cut affect more than 1 hop, those on either side of the cut?
Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
Surely, for a major investment like this, both ends have peers with others?
never actually looked at the problems of african networking, have you?
randy
Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice
cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an
outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering.
But my query isn't about politics, it's operational.
By the map in the article, the termini are Spain and Portugal on one end,
and South Africa on the other. Surely, a single break wouldn't affect
both ends....
And the landings to Benin and Nigeria seem to be different (at least they
have different numbers), so that's probably the break (between them). With
peering on each end, traffic should just run each direction to the world....
William Allen Simpson wrote:
By the map in the article, the termini are Spain and Portugal on one end,
and South Africa on the other. Surely, a single break wouldn't affect
both ends....
A week later article by the BBC says it didn't. Rather, the Benin branch
has the break.
"The rest of the system is unaffected by this fault," a Telkom South
Africa representative said.
And the landings to Benin and Nigeria seem to be different (at least they
have different numbers), so that's probably the break (between them).
The Nigerian telco Nitel hasn't paid its dues, so its branch has been shut
off, and most of Nigeria runs through Benin. Apparently, there is peering,
and Benin is currently running "through neighbouring countries...."
Sounds like this happenstance will provide motivation for more peering
and cooperation.
Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents.
On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa.
Nick
Nick Hilliard wrote:
Not in a long time. My memory is that SAT-3 was supposed to be a nice
cooperative effort funded by the nations themselves, rather than an
outside investor. With cooperation, I'd have expected good peering.Indeed, it is a co-operative affair owned by several of the incumbent telcos along the route, and one suspects that they engage in all of the sort of benevolent, community-focussed behaviour that you'd expect from incumbents.
Oh, neither of us are talking about benevolence. If you and I have a
joint venture, then I'd expect we'd have no problem with interconnection.
On a more serious note, and peering / interconnection arrangements aside, the cable fault indicates a critical lack of resilience on the west coast of africa.
True. Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program? If not, it's
probably not on-topic....
Does NANOG have an outreach and construction program?
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few
decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including
helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin
in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and
arin meetings. etc.
sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
randy
above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well.
Randy Bush wrote:
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well.
Randy Bush wrote:
yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few
decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including
helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin
in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and
arin meetings. etc.sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember,
I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s),
but had not heard of the same by NANOG.
OTOH, I've rarely attended any NANOG meeting outside Michigan, and we've
not had one here for many years. There's one coming up in October that
I'm looking forward to attending (time and finances allowing).
What exactly is NANOG doing do help interconnect West Africa?
Moreover, what NANOG member financing assistance to Nitel paying its fees,
so that its link would be restored?
On that note, folks might want to see
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/business/global/10cable.html
if seacom completes, and it is looking likely (yay!), this will be great.
but
Alan Mauldin, research director at TeleGeography, a telecommunications
market research company, said Africa was the last major area where
broadband access was not widespread.
try much of the pacific islands, central asia (the stans), myanmar, much of
india, laos, cambodia, and large swaths of northern china and the middle of
russia. and i am sticking to places with non-sparse population.
americans are a bit naive about the rest of the world.
randy
clearly Alan's whole point rests on the interpretation of the
two words -major- and -area-... and no, we will not stoop to
using the US definition of broadband.
--bill
[Followups set to futures as organization discussion.]
Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>above link, and routing, at transport, there is a tld effort as well.
>
>Randy Bush wrote:
>>yes. informally, a fair number of nanogians have spent the last few
>>decades doing tech transfer to the developing economies, including
>>helping start sister groups such as afnog. nanog participates with arin
>>in a bursary to bring engineers from developing economies to nanog and
>>arin meetings. etc.
>>
>>sorry this so poorly publicized that you did not know.
>>
It's not, and I cannot find it on our NANOG website. As you may remember,
I'd helped with more formal outreach and instruction via ISoc (mid-'90s),
but had not heard of the same by NANOG.
It currently goes by the somewhat confusing moniker of a scholarship,
right there on the pull-downs on every page of the site. The Postel
Network Operator's Scholarship does get promoted widely and applicants
are sought from other ops communities across the globe. Unfortunately
for those not plugged into the physical meetings, it hasn't actually
been promoted on nanog-announce, etc in the past. That will definitely
get rectified.
Cheers,
Joe