RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)

Been unexpectedly gone for the weekend, apologies for the delay. Wow, can subjects get hijacked quickly here. I think it happened within one or two emails. It was just for weekend fun anyway...

And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architecture: Layers are recursive."

: Anyone who has bridged an ethernet via a TCP based
: IPSec tunnel understands that layers are recursive.

WRT the paper I'm having trouble correlating what you say with their notion of recursive layer network communications. It seems apples and oranges, but maybe I have Monday-its. It's only a little after noon here.

http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf

: John Day has been chasing this notion long enough to write three
: network stacks. If it works and isn't obviously inferior in its
: operational resource consumption, where's the proof-of-concept code?

Not having read the following enough, being in operations and not in the research areas as much as others on this list I don my flameproof underpants and post this:

pouzinsociety.org gives:

Been unexpectedly gone for the weekend, apologies for the delay. Wow,
can subjects get hijacked quickly here. I think it happened within one or two
emails. It was just for weekend fun anyway...

So... You tossed a cow into a pool (that you knew was) filled with piranhas, waited a few days, and now you want to know where the cow went?

-Nathan

And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architecture: Layers are recursive."

: Anyone who has bridged an ethernet via a TCP based
: IPSec tunnel understands that layers are recursive.

WRT the paper I'm having trouble correlating what you say with their
notion of recursive layer network communications.
It seems apples and oranges

Hi Scott,

Having skimmed the article and some of its predecessors, I find it
hard to determine whether there's any correlation. REALLY hard.

http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf

: John Day has been chasing this notion long enough to write three
: network stacks. If it works and isn't obviously inferior in its
: operational resource consumption, where's the proof-of-concept code?

TINOS will provide the underlying platform and execution
environment upon which a RINA prototype can be developed.

"will provide"
"can be developed"

the "CBA prototype" link being:
http://www.tssg.org/4WARD/2010/07/component_based_architecture_n.html

Described in the videos as a clever modeling tool forked off of JNode
which had a plain old TCP/IP stack written in Java.

But what I'm still missing is use of that modeling system to
demonstrate any concepts in Day's plan.

From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
: I note that he doesn't actually describe how to implement
: a large-scale addressing and routing architecture. It's all
: handwaving.

There is more discussed in the book.

A colleague thoughtfully lent me a copy of the book. I found it more
incondite than recondite.

I'd like there to be some abstruse nugget of insight in there. I
really would. Maybe you can tell me the page number, 'cause I just
can't wade through the rest of it.

Regards,
Bill Herrin