If a consensus can be reached here, we have seen a rise in this, that does raise concerns
of a RIAA/MPAA type of mindset, which is detrimental
vigilante Definition vigi·lante (vij′ə lan′tē, -län′-)
noun
1. a member of a vigilance committee
2. any individual who acts outside of legal authority, often violently, to punish or avenge a crime, right a perceived wrong, etc.
vigi·lan·tism (vij′ə lan′tiz′əm, -län′-; vij′ə lən tiz′əm)
noun
the lawless, violent methods, spirit, etc. of vigilantes
vigilantism Related Forms
vig′i·lan′·tist adjective
vigilantism Usage Examples
Noun used with modifier
* 'Internet: But this has come under fire from many who see it as an example of 'Internet vigilantism ' that could destabilize Internet trading.
Adjective modifier
* self-appointed: We must, moreover, take action which is firm enough to pre-empt action by self-appointed vigilantes. =========================================================================
Henry Linneweh wrote:
If a consensus can be reached here, we have seen a rise in this, that does raise concerns
of a RIAA/MPAA type of mindset, which is detrimental
vigilante Definition vigi·lante (vij′ə lan′tē, -län′-)
It is not vigilantism, it is the common law, rooted in ancient English
history, of the "shire reeve", who we now call the "sheriff".
The original duty of the shire reeve, among other things, was that he
was 1 man out of every 10 households, whose duty it was to check the
locks and gates of each house and barn, before himself retiring for the
night.
Another name for the sheriff, is the "Conservator of the Peace", which
is, that on behalf of the community, he ensures that there is peace.
Each of the smaller networks connected to the larger Internet, has
someone whose job it is to be sure that the "locks and gates" are shut.
Telling everyone to be careful of the known thief and to take
precautions against him, is not slander, libel, or vigilantism.
Just common sense.
--Patrick
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Andrew
Henry Linneweh wrote:
I'll argue that the term "vigilante" doesn't belong in this conversation.
(Apologies to those who have seen this reasoning elsewhere.)
Nobody did anything *to* them, it's just that folks stopped doing
things *for* them, as an act of self-defense after many years of
non-stop, prolific abuse.
---Rsk
It is not vigilantism, it is the common law, rooted in
ancient English history, of the "shire reeve", who we now
call the "sheriff".
Reeve means "called", from the Germanic verb "rufen".
In other words, this person is someone who is called
to the duty by the shire. The point that has been
raised about vigilantism is that the people taking
action have not been appointed by the community and
therefore are not answerable to the community, nor are
there actions controllable in any way by the community.
The original duty of the shire reeve, among other things, was
that he was 1 man out of every 10 households, whose duty it
was to check the locks and gates of each house and barn,
before himself retiring for the night.
In other words, this person checked the property of his
peers. He was one of the community which selected him.
Each of the smaller networks connected to the larger
Internet, has someone whose job it is to be sure that the
"locks and gates" are shut.
And those network security people generally don't hang out
on NANOG. Instead they hang out in various security forums
like MAAWG etc.
--Michael Dillon
It is not vigilantism, it is the common law, rooted in
ancient English history, of the "shire reeve", who we now
call the "sheriff".
Reeve means "called", from the Germanic verb "rufen".
In other words, this person is someone who is called
to the duty by the shire.
George Trevelyan's History of England gives the distinct
impression that the sheriff was not quite so grass-roots
an office as this thread might have one believe. The office
was created at the instigation of the Norman monarchs so
that they would have a parallel administrative structure
from that of the feudal barons. This was to make it harder
for the uppity barons to unseat the king as happened regularly
in pre-Norman times.
In other words, this person checked the property of his
peers. He was one of the community which selected him.
I wonder if the reeve (gerefa) was thought of as called
by the community or by the king. Trevelyan and etymonline
suggest the latter. Who, within the community, got to be
sheriff was probably the community's choice. But once in
office the sheriff was likely answerable to the king. In
the absence of a monarch, is NANOG now trying to behave
like the North American Regency Council? Hmmm...
In Spain, a vigilante is a security guard, almost always
unarmed, whose job it is to be vigilant and call the police
if something bad happens and take temporary measures if
possible in the meantime. That type of vigilante would seem
to correspond quite closely with the job of the responsible
network security/operations person.
Cheers,
-w
Not sure why you assume that -- I'm sure there are plenty of "security
folks" on the NANOG list, who may also follow other more specific security
forums.
- - ferg