We have two POP's and a colo in Detroit. One in Southfield, one in Troy,
both on the North side of Detroit.
FNSI -> http://www.fnsi.net
If anyone is looking for reliable access from a profitable regional player,
I'll volunteer. 
K
Paul Timmins
<paul@timmins To: Brian <bri@sonicboom.org>
.net> cc: Deepak Jain <deepak@ai.net>, jpalmer@utilinc.com, nanog@nanog.org
Sent by: Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under (was
owner-nanog@m RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
erit.edu
05/30/2002
08:00 PM
As far as I know, the following national providers exist in Detroit:
(This is by no means, a complete list, and some of these aren't "Big
Name" providers, but less likely to go under than John Q Random ISP)
Verio
Winstar
XO
AT&T
Qwest
Covad
Level 3
SBC
I've heard rumors of speakeasy.net, which I think resells internap
I'm sure there's a few other national networks, these are just the ones
I have heard of off the top of my head.
-Paul
Surprised there isnt much connectivity in the Detroit area, I mean it is
Motor City and all, I would think tons of manufacturing palnts all
needing
telecom of some sort or other..
Bri
>
>
> Clearly anyone in your market is buying from someone outside of your
market.
> The fees associated with reliability (if available) are a function of
your
> geography. Large providers are concentrating on the markets that are
making
> them the most money.
>
> If you get a few networks in your area that want to save money on the
cost
> of reliability you can run a couple of circuits to the next large
market and
> try to knit together a reliable network and divide the costs that way.
>
> My guess is that with more large providers on a profit-centered basis
you
> won't see the same kind of pricing equality you have been seeing
between
> Tier 1 and Tier N markets anymore.
>
> Deepak Jain
> AiNET
>
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
> John Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:39 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under
> (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
>
>
>
> Its just that they aren't local and there is no need to pay for
> a circuit all the way to Chicago. It seems that so many providers
> have moved out of Macomb county. Anyone have any experience with
> BigNet? We are talking to them now
>
> From: Bill Woodcock [mailto:woody@zocalo.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:42 PM
> To: John Palmer
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Trying to find a connectivity provider that wont go under
> (was RE: CAIS/Ardent and now Network Access Solutions)
>
>
> > Who can one rely on for connectivity? In general and in the
Detroit
> area?
> > I put out a request for bids on T-1's and all the national
providers
> were
> > way too high...
>
> Haven't you just answered your own question? I guess if you think
> reliable service is too expensive, you're not in the market for
reliable