RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS

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Look in the O'Reilly "DNS and BIND" book, 3rd ed., page 217. Also, RFC2317.

However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do
it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy that I won't
sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own zone servers.
Gee, why don't I hand over my bank accounts while I'm at it?

BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not
trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I will have
found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line,
don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard
about SWiP.

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As I recall, ARIN doesn't let you change DNS authority information in blocks
larger than /24. They send the SWiP template back to you. The only way to
really give reverse authority for those is to use cname records in the
authoritve server's zone and point them to another in-addr zone for the /26
or /27 or whatever, then pull that smaller zone from the end-user's name
server.

My company knows how to do it, it's just that DSL customers don't give us
enough money to spend the time doing it. Typing out 32 cname records,
setting up a new zone, and then dealing with the end user when they can't
figure out how to set up a master record that allows us to pull the zones is
just way too time consuming for the limited profit margin of a DSL line.

Hunter Pine
Vice President, Network Operations
hunter@compuhelp.com
CompuHelp Technologies
11 Lispenard Street
New York, NY 10013
212-995-2955 x21
http://www.compuhelp.com

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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of
Roeland Meyer
Sent: May 14, 2001 1:42 PM
To: 'Curtis Maurand'; John Murphy
Cc: Roeland Meyer; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS

However, I have not yet found a single upstream that even knows how to do
it, let alone offers this as a service. They are also not happy
that I won't
sign control of my domains over to them and that I run my own
zone servers.

It looks to _me_ (as it does to about 95% of the people on this mailing
list, I'm sure) like you're trying to use something totally inadequate for
your purposes.
If you're using the standard "small business trying to get a connection for
web browsing and email" package that's aimed at your average
non-computer-related small business (eg: a small law or accounting firm),
then you shouldn't be surprised that they want to be the technical contact
and authoritative DNS for your domains, because that's part of their
offering. And, I might add, it's a very good thing they offer that, because
your average small business probably doesn't have a clue what DNS is.

BTW, if you know an ISP that does, I want their contact number. I'm not
trying to win any arguments here. If I lose then I win, because I
will have
found a decent vendor. Also, with my monthly recurring cash on the line,
don't you think I've been looking? Also, SpeakEasy seems to not have heard
about SWiP.

As someone posted before (but you probably didn't read):
vivienm@amethyst:~$ host www.mhsc.com
www.mhsc.com is a nickname for vweb1.mhsc.com
vweb1.mhsc.com has address 216.27.184.250
vivienm@amethyst:~$ whois -a 216.27.184.250
Speakeasy Network (NETBLK-SPEAKEASY-4) SPEAKEASY-4
                                                 216.27.128.0 -
216.27.191.255
Black, Alex (NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0) SPEK-RMEYER-0
                                               216.27.184.224 -
216.27.184.255

To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the
handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.
vivienm@amethyst:~$ whois -a \!NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0
Black, Alex (NETBLK-SPEK-RMEYER-0)
   440 Mission Court
   Fremont, CA 94539
   US

   Netname: SPEK-RMEYER-0
   Netblock: 216.27.184.224 - 216.27.184.255

   Coordinator:
      Stollar, Andreas (AS3414-ARIN) abuse@speakeasy.net
      +1-206-728-9770 (FAX) (206)728-1500

   Record last updated on 13-Mar-2001.
   Database last updated on 12-May-2001 22:47:54 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

Now, I realize your name isn't Alex Black (unless you have multiple
personalities), but it sure looks to me like SpeakEasy knows how to SWIP
(and the SPEK-RMEYER-0 name suggests they were trying to SWIP it to you).

Vivien

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Roeland,

We not only know how to do it but actually have it implemented and provide
this service to clients. It's NOT that difficult (although setting up IRRd
was considerably more simple).

So, if you're serious about services, you know how to contact me. If not,
please stop whining on NANOG.