RE: Time to check the rate limits on your mail servers

How come it is always about controlling the symptoms and not the
illness? The vast majority of these
"spam drones" are compromised WINDOWS machines. If the operating system
and dominant email applications so easily allows the users' machines to
be taken over by a third party, then there is something wrong with the
operating system and the mail applications. It occurs to me that the
solution is not to limit the range of destruction, but to defuse the
bomb. Perhaps the focus for a solution should move up the model to
layer 7.

- Mark

Miller, Mark wrote:

How come it is always about controlling the symptoms and not the
illness?

The illness is the user. That is uncontrollable.

Upgrading and/or replacing the OS for every Windows user on the
  planet is an educational issue. Keeping the network viable
  while you figure out how to do that is an operational issue.

Creating an invincible mail client, still only addresses the symptom, and not the disease. I would contend that any attempts made to harden a mail client, will, (and have always been..), be countered with a new exploit, a new method of exploiting the system.
The only way to really control spam, is to make it unprofitable, both for the hosting providers, and websites that use this as a form of mass marketing.
If say, a 'top 100 domains' (or 10,000, if need be..), list of offending websites were assembled, continually updated, and used universally to null route the websites paying for these services, (and in some cases, entire blocks owned by unscrupulous service providers hosting these websites, in the case that are continually proffering these services to offending parties..), it would soon become the case that if you use spam to mass market your product, you risk losing your access to a portion of the internet.
Of course, there are many lists of this kind, but what is lacking, is the willingness to launch a coordinated effort, or agreement on a proven and effective criteria for identifying how this could/should be regulated.
I have heard the argument that we are not in the business of determining what should be permitted on the internet, and for the most part I would tend to agree, but I view this as a technical and not an ethical issue, and when seen in that context, the solutions seem obvious. Control spam? Attack it at the source, -follow the money- and make those that would profit from the abuse of the system accountable by denying them services.

John

> How come it is always about controlling the symptoms and not the
> illness?
>
The illness is the user. That is uncontrollable.

A product that doesn't work as advertised has much to do with it as well.

Adi