RE: SORBs

It belonged to some Canadian ISP, I believe it was a cable company.

Regarding the aggregation/deaggregation mess. This is due to the fact
that ARIN is rather strict with IP assignements and how we route
internally.
Because ARIN wants us to use 80% of our ip blocks, before we can request
new assignments from them we have to dole out addresses in /22's to each
city we have, in order to use them up appropriately. Its been a bit of a
nightmare trying to meet ARIN's policies and also try to meet the
Internet Communities policies. Believe me, I would much rather advertise
a /16 prefix out to the Internet, rather then a /22. We have not been
able to accommodate this unfortunately.

Sanfilippo, Ted wrote:

It belonged to some Canadian ISP, I believe it was a cable company.

Regarding the aggregation/deaggregation mess. This is due to the fact
that ARIN is rather strict with IP assignements and how we route
internally. Because ARIN wants us to use 80% of our ip blocks, before we can request
new assignments from them we have to dole out addresses in /22's to each
city we have, in order to use them up appropriately. Its been a bit of a
nightmare trying to meet ARIN's policies and also try to meet the
Internet Communities policies. Believe me, I would much rather advertise
a /16 prefix out to the Internet, rather then a /22. We have not been
able to accommodate this unfortunately.

Err... Why do you say you need to advertise a /22 for each city rather
than the /16 for your entire network? What's inside your network and
how you distribute your addresses there is not of concern for anyone
outside of your network. Why don't you advertise the /16 via BGP and
then let the IGP handle the /22 distribution to each city?

Regarding the aggregation/deaggregation mess. This is due to the fact
that ARIN is rather strict with IP assignements and how we route
internally.
Because ARIN wants us to use 80% of our ip blocks, before we can request
new assignments from them we have to dole out addresses in /22's to each
city we have, in order to use them up appropriately. Its been a bit of a

Are you saying you have POPs in dozens of cities and do not have your own
network connecting them, but instead buy transit from verio, cogent, and
at&t in each city and announce /22 subnets to them from each of these POPs
using the same (15270) origin ASN with ASN loop detection disabled?

Perhaps the networks are disconnected? Perhaps there is insufficient bandwidth between the cities to carry inter-city traffic?

Sounds somewhat familiar to

   http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2004_5.html

So, why would GRE not be a reasonable (temporary)
solution here? If the islands are going to remain
disconnected long term, why not get additional AS
numbers?

I find blaming > 250 extra routes WITH EXACTLY THE
SAME PATH INFO on ARIN pretty unconvincing...

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Perhaps the networks are disconnected? Perhaps there is insufficient bandwidth between the cities to carry inter-city traffic?

So, why would GRE not be a reasonable (temporary) solution here? If the islands are going to remain disconnected long term, why not get additional AS numbers?

I don't believe the fact of having multiple ASNs solves this issue, I believe ARIN looks at allocated space per OrgID.

I find blaming 250 extra routes WITH EXACTLY THE SAME PATH INFO on ARIN pretty unconvincing...

Personally, I (or my routers) don't have a problem -- at least at the moment. You could always filter.

It is non-trivial to get additional ASNs, even if you are multi-homed in multiple sites.

Doesn't mean it can't be done.

But AS exhaustion is far more critical than IP exhaustion. (Or even RIB/FIB/proc exhaustion through additional prefixes, IMHO.) So if they want to be .. uh, well, a good 'Netizen and use one AS with static routes or defaults or something to route between them, that's better than a slew of ASes with the same prefix info we have today.