RE: OT: Interesting email I received

Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:37:04 -0500
From: John Neiberger <>

Hmm...I'm still able to reach that site as of 3:30 Mountain
time. Perhaps his service hasn't been discontinued after all.
We can only hope, though. Surely Qwest won't continue to let
this bonehead use their network.

Perhaps this is actually a Qwest front company and they're
trying to lure people into using their bulkmailing services.
By doing this they can get a lot of the bulk mails to at least
have the same set of source IP addresses making them easier to
filter for the rest of us. :slight_smile: Sort of like a honey pot for
idiots, because in this case they'd even be paying to use it.

Actually, I don't believe that it *is* a front for quest. One of the
responses I got from whois indicated that the name is owned by
"CnS Systems, Inc" ...

Can anyone say "Cantor and ..." The people that brought the art of
spam to its current unloved height?

Gregory Hicks

Well it seems that this CnS Systems has a site/server hosted out of
Verio in Boca Raton, FL. Seems their in the hosting biz. For your
amusement from *their* AUP:

Net abuse, including but not limited to activities such as using a
non-existent email return address on a commercial solicitation, spamming
(sending unsolicited advertising to numerous email addresses or
newsgroups and/or generating a significantly higher volume of outgoing
email than a normal user), allowing spamming by third parties to promote
a web site hosted by us, trolling (posting outrageous messages to
generate numerous responses), mailbombing (sending multiple messages
without significant new content to the same user), subscribing someone
else to a mailing list without that person's permission, cross-posting
articles to an excessive number of newsgroups, or attempting without
authorization to enter into a secured computer system. We reserves the
right to determine what constitutes net abuse.

Just thinking out loud here, I wonder if they plan on sending their Spam
out on the Verio side? Or from the RapidSite side (they claim to be a
RapidSite reseller). Think about it. They are just soliciting on the
Qwest side. They might have accounts anywhere and use those. Qwest can't
necessarily yank the circuit, as the mere solicitation might *NOT*
violate the AUP. Then we get into a whack-a-mole game.

Something to think about to say the least.


P.S. One thing that I thought was odd was the fact that the CnS website
had not been updated since 4/10/01. Maybe the hosting biz tanked on

They just popularized it, and seem to have been trampled by people
even less scrupulous. Kinda the Orville and Wilbur of spamming...