RE: First Post! Annoying Debate at Work.

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Please do not take this the wrong way, but I thought it was useful
input. Perhaps not to you, but maybe to those who think that getting
their MCSA will teach them all they need to know.

It seems as though you MAY not be up to date on the MCSA. It stands for
"Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator", FYI.

To obtain the MCSA certification, I took the following exams:
Exam 70-218: Managing a Microsoft Windows 2000 Network Environment
Exam 70-215: Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft
Windows 2000 Server
Exam 70-210: Installing, Configuring, and Administering Microsoft
Windows 2000 Professional
Exam 70-216: Implementing and Administering a Microsoft Windows 2000
Network Infrastructure

One who thinks these exam topics cover (as you say" "all they need to
know", should really investigate this certification.

Some of the things you asked were extremely basic.

What "things" were these?

I can only find one question in my entire email that requests a response
which was:

"What's your take and why?", which was obviously referencing the
previous statement:

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Please do not take this the wrong way, but I thought it was useful
input. Perhaps not to you, but maybe to those who think that getting
their MCSA will teach them all they need to know.

One who thinks these exam topics cover (as you say" "all they need to
know", should really investigate this certification.

So we are in agreement.

Some of the things you asked were extremely basic.

What "things" were these?

I guess I just consider things like "ethernet adaptors" and "ethernet converters" basic. Basic can be good. But it's still basic.

Also, I probably attributed some of the replies to your original post in my memory. Or maybe I just misremembered your post completely. I hope you can accept my apology and end the flame war.

In my defense, I did say that you should not take this personally.

So I would not take this as an attack on you personally - lots of
people answered took the time to answer your questions, asking not even

a favor in return as payment.

The people who responded helpfully to my post, will receive any help and
assistance in the future from me as a fellow nanog'er; without the
POINTLESS sarcasm and flaming.

Got it. 'Cause the post to which I am responding is very pointFULL.

And if you are implying that I will not be getting help and assistance from you (or at least not without sarcasm), well, somehow I'm just not too worried.

I would take it as a note to people with
certifications or going for certifications that a cert != clue.

I agree here 100%. However you have also made it very clear that no_cert
!= clue.

Really? Glad we cleared that up, 'cause lots of people were probably assuming that if you have no certification you were automatically clued.... :slight_smile:

Unless, of course, you are implying I have no certifications. Which would be a bad assumption. I have gotten several certifications over the years, some of which I actually think are useful. I just do not have any of the ones you listed.

Of course, then you would also be impling I have no clue. Many people might agree with you, but since the first part (no_cert) failed, then the second part is irrelevant.

(Did any of those certs have
labs, or just multiple-guess tests?)

Google is your friend.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/requirements.asp
Cisco Training, Events, and Webinar Resources - Cisco
on_type_home.html

Thanx, but not worth the effort. I'm never going to get a CCNA (definitely) or an MCSA (probably). Was just curious and didn't want to wade through multiple web pages. A couple people told me off-list and I was happy.

Thanx for the tip, though. I'll have to remember that "google" thing.... :slight_smile:

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Consumers are not interested in certificates, they want solutions that are
packaged. Front end services when people sign up for accounts should include
all the tools necessary for survive on any network you provider access to.

-Henry

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know", should really investigate this certification.

>Some of the things you asked were extremely basic.

What "things" were these?

How about the question about whether or not a usb ethernet adapter was an
ethernet converter?

You're the one who thinks Patrick is a nozzle for not searching
google...when your question, the sole purpose of your posting, can be
answered merely by searching google.

I'm sure when you look for the proper terms, such as "media converter",
you'll have a lot more luck.

Basically, in order for something to be an adapter, it _MUST_ be the
interface for a leaf node, such as an individual computer.

In order for something to be a converter, there is an implied many-to-many
relationship, not a one-to-many or one-to-one as with an adapter.

The people who responded helpfully to my post, will receive any help and
assistance in the future from me as a fellow nanog'er; without the
POINTLESS sarcasm and flaming.

You mean, the pointless sarcasm and flaming in response to a pointless and
clueless post?

> I would take it as a note to people with
>certifications or going for certifications that a cert != clue.

I agree here 100%. However you have also made it very clear that no_cert
!= clue.

Heh, yeah, check out the tiny clue on Patrick. I mean, you've been reading
for a whole year, surely you know who the people to respect are. How dare
Patrick be a pretender! :wink:

>(Did any of those certs have labs, or just multiple-guess tests?)

Google is your friend.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcsa/requirements.asp
Cisco Training, Events, and Webinar Resources - Cisco
on_type_home.html

Oh, so you DO know about google. Then why are you littering and loitering
on this list?

>P.S. I kinda expected as much from MS, but it's sad that a cisco cert
>doesn't mean much any more. :frowning:

Notice mostly everyone who provided useful feedback on this agreed with
my opinion on this. Common sense has nothing to do with certs. Having
both isn't a bad trait however.

You're right, common sense has nothing to do with certs. Thank you for
providing a concrete example.

Andy

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You wanna know about USB read this and that doesn’t take an MSCE
http://www.usb.org/faq