RE: (*F) Re: USAC and SPIN

Mailman List Mirror (Read Only)
1

@If you're trying to infer that SPIN = IP addresses, you're way wrong.
@

1. No, I was not trying to infer that.
2. There is more to life than configuring routers.
3. I often wonder if people that configure routers know how routing
*should* work.
  Do people that drive cars know how cars work ? Do they care ?

Here is some more information for people interested in the more global
issues of numbering, and network operations.

The U.S. Government provides ISPs with SPIN numbers, FREE of charge.
Service Provider Identification Number (SPIN) ARIN sells 16 bit
ASNs for $500. <http://www.arin.net> The IEEE provides 24 bit
Organizationally
Unique Identifiers (OUI). <http://standards.ieee.org/db/oui/> The cost of
the
OUI is U.S. $1,250.

Maybe we should create a Top Level Domain named .SPIN. That
TLD could be used to register the free SPIN numbers at the second level.
For example, Bell Atlantic might have 143001398.SPIN for Pennsylvania.
A TXT Record could be included in the DNS to contain the name
"Pennsylvania" for the SPIN number.

After registering a SPIN number, an ISP could add A records for their
ASNs and OUI information. Since an A record is a general purpose
container for 32 bit quantities, a single A record can be used to hold
an ASN in the low 16 bits. Another A record can hold the 24 bit OUI
in the low 24 bits. With this, the following DNS entries would return
A records:

  ASN.143001398.SPIN
  OUI.143001398.SPIN

As an alternative to the above, ARIN could negotiate with the IEEE
to obtain a unique 8 bit pre-fix for a block of OUI codes. This would
allow the 16 bit ASN to be combined with that prefix to complete the
unique 24 bit "company id" that is used in many IEEE standards. This
would allow ARIN to provide OUI numbers for $500 which is less
than the IEEE charge of $1,250.

Still another approach would be for ARIN to negotiate with the
Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) to obtain a block
of SPIN numbers. Since ASNs are 16 bits, the largest value is 65535.
Maybe USAC can assign a SPIN prefix such as 1431xxxxx and all
ASNs could be mapped to SPIN numbers. This would effectively allow
ARIN to create SPIN numbers for $500 each.

@@@@@ Other References @@@@@@

@@@ http://www.neca.org/usnewrel.htm

Whippany, NJ -- May 21, 1998 - The Universal Service Administrative
Company (USAC) is pleased to announce the appointment of former
Wisconsin Public Service Commission (PSC) Chairman Cheryl L. Parrino
as USAC's first Chief Executive Officer (CEO), effective June 1, 1998."

@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@@ http://www.bell-atl.com/edk-12/spincode.htm
Bell Atlantic Service Provider Identification Numbers (SPIN)
143001398 143002680 143001362 143001422 143001401 143001432 143002681
143012559 143001291 143001288 143001303 143002682 143001314
143001359 143004468 143004333 143000677
@@@@@@@@@@

@@@@ http://www.neca.org/funds/usacspin.htm

"For companies which have not filed a FCC Form 457, you may
contact USAC at (888) 641-8722 to obtain a SPIN assignment.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@ http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/OUI.html

What is an Organizationally Unique Identifier (OUI)/"company_id"?
An OUI/"company_id" is a 24 bit globally unique assigned number referenced
by various standards. OUI is used in the family of 802 LAN standards, e.g.,
Ethernet, Token Ring, etc.

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@@ http://standards.ieee.org/db/oui/tutorials/lanman.html
Use of the IEEE assigned Organizationally Unique Identifier
with ANSI/IEEE Std 802-1990 Local and Metropolitan Area Networks
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@ http://standards.ieee.org/db/oui/tutorials/cdpd.html
Cellular Digital Packet Data Networks
The EUI-48 consists of the 24 bit company_id (assigned by the IEEE/RAC)
and a 24 bit unique CDPD M-ES number (assigned by the manufacturer).
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@ http://standards.ieee.org/db/oui/tutorials/futurebus.html
Use of the IEEE assigned 'company_id' value with IEEE Std 896.2-1991
Futurebus+ Physical Layer and Profiles
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@ http://standards.ieee.org/db/oui/tutorials/EUI64.html
GUIDELINES FOR 64-BIT GLOBAL IDENTIFIER (EUI-64)
REGISTRATION AUTHORITY
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation - An H.323 GateKeeper for the IPv8 Network
http://www.unir.net
0:196 .MALL

2

Even *fewer* people understand how dns works, nor can configure
it properly. This is easy to tell, log lame delegations on your
nameserver. Or log the "invalid" hostnames stuff, folks with _/, etc..
in their dns entries.

  - Jared

3

[ kilobytes of off-topic drivel elided ]

Ok; now I'm past _my_ limit, too.

To whom do I go to file a formal request to filter Jim Fleming's
postings from this mailing list?

Pam?

Cheers,
-- jra

4

Ok; now I'm past _my_ limit, too.

To whom do I go to file a formal request to filter Jim Fleming's
postings from this mailing list?

`man procmailex`

Note the flag jamie set in the Subject: line.

HTH. HAND.

Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com

mato

--matt@bikkle.interq.or.jp-------------------------------------------
  Matt Ghali MG406/GM023JP - System Administrator, interQ, Inc AS7506
  "Sub-optimal is a state of mind." -Dave Rand, <dlr@bungi.com>

5

I wrote:

>To whom do I go to file a formal request to filter Jim Fleming's
>postings from this mailing list?

And half a dozen people who apparently think I just fell off the turnip
truck wrote back to me to suggest...

Procmail?

Some were more creative than others, actually giving suggestions that,
since I could feed them into my router (well, if my router were a
Cisco, instead of an Ascend), were at least on topic:

Best one I've seen is
ip route 207.32.128.0 255.255.224.0 Null0
If the net did it, his mail would go away. Or maybe we should classify him
as spam and get him in the RBL. Does Merit participate in that?
Hmmmmmmmm....

Some were smarmy:

`man procmailex`
Note the flag jamie set in the Subject: line.
HTH. HAND.

Some just suggestive:

Your own .procmailrc?

And some a bit more loquacious than others:

Well, I filed the request with my Eudora Filtering sub-system ... instant
gratification! Jim Flemming and Jeff Williams both now occupy the /Misc
Politicks/Bulkmeister folder and status get auto reverted to "Read". Since
5May98 Flemming has posted 262 messages, very few of them less than 5KB.
I'm also tired of hearing about IPv8. Now I can read them when I have
nothing better to do, or they actually say something pertinent.

Personally, I don't agree with removing them from the list.

But none of them got the point I was trying to make.

Folks, this list is for network operations and related topics. I don't
think there's anyone left out there (except Jim) who thinks that any of
the content of the message I was responding to is remotely on-topic for
this list...

which is read by quite a few members of the press. I know; several of
them have written to me on different occasions for comment or
clarification of things I've written.

Now, even at this late date, it seems to me that many people, some in
positions of power over the stuff we do here, still think that the
folks who run the net are a bunch of asocial geeks and nerds who can't
play nice together. While this is, in some cases, correct (:-), for
the most part, I've found that almost everyone on this list, at least,
is pretty easy to get along with... except Randy, of course.

<grin>

Anyway, my point is: if we, as the keepers of the bits, give the
appearance that we can't keep our own sandbox clean, when someone is so
clearly violating the rules which pertain to that portion of it, what
appearance does that give of us to "outsiders", who may be listening in,
about our ability to do the job we actually get paid for.

Sticking _my_ head in the sand isn't going to do a thing about that,
and, having been here since about 1983, I'm sorta protective of this
here net. No, I don't think Jim can singlehandedly kill the
Internet... but standards do have to start somewhere.

I've changed the subject line so people who aren't interested in this
thread can can it.

Cheers,
-- jra

6

Now, even at this late date, it seems to me that many people, some in
positions of power over the stuff we do here, still think that the
folks who run the net are a bunch of asocial geeks and nerds who can't
play nice together.

The folks on this list don't run the net. They just operate the equipment
that runs one of the private networks that forms a portion of the
Internet. They don't necessarily even make all of the policy decisions for
that one network that they do operate. This is a plumbers list, not the
municipal water board list.

Anyway, my point is: if we, as the keepers of the bits, give the
appearance that we can't keep our own sandbox clean, when someone is so
clearly violating the rules which pertain to that portion of it, what
appearance does that give of us to "outsiders", who may be listening in,
about our ability to do the job we actually get paid for.

They're probably wondering why those plumbers don't solve the problem with
a piece of lead pipe. Of course they fail to realize that most of the
plumbers are wearing earplugs and are wondering what all the fuss is
about.

I've changed the subject line so people who aren't interested in this
thread can can it.

Darn! Me too.

7

> Now, even at this late date, it seems to me that many people, some in
> positions of power over the stuff we do here, still think that the
> folks who run the net are a bunch of asocial geeks and nerds who can't
> play nice together.

The folks on this list don't run the net. They just operate the equipment
that runs one of the private networks that forms a portion of the
Internet. They don't necessarily even make all of the policy decisions for
that one network that they do operate. This is a plumbers list, not the
municipal water board list.

Stipulated.

> Anyway, my point is: if we, as the keepers of the bits, give the
> appearance that we can't keep our own sandbox clean, when someone is so
> clearly violating the rules which pertain to that portion of it, what
> appearance does that give of us to "outsiders", who may be listening in,
> about our ability to do the job we actually get paid for.

They're probably wondering why those plumbers don't solve the problem with
a piece of lead pipe. Of course they fail to realize that most of the
plumbers are wearing earplugs and are wondering what all the fuss is
about.

<chuckle>

I was _reaching_ for my lead pipe, Michael.

> I've changed the subject line so people who aren't interested in this
> thread can can it.

Darn! Me too.

Silly boy.

Cheers,
-- jra