It seems that it's pretty dim there. After acknowledging that the
product was broken by design, they offered to replace them under
warranty. Great.
I wonder how Cisco feels about these jack-holes using their brand.
matto
What does your inability to get a $49 consumer device working have to do
with NANOG?
My apologies. Apparently I was mistaken when I thought that other
network operators might be interested in saving themselves the time
and money of buying a broken piece of network equipment, which the
manufacturer won't support.
I made a rash assumption that such behavior from a vendor might be
helpful knowledge to folks who might happen to be purchasing
networking hardware in the future.
Apparently you think that a mailing list of network operators is an
inappropriate venue. I apologize, and encourage you to continue
blathering on about DNSBLs and DJB vs. Vix, both much more edifying
threads.
Matt Ghali
Yeah, but Linksys makes CPE, not networking hardware. I think you're
looking for the inet-access list.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=inet-access&r=1&w=1
-Bill
My apologies. Apparently I was mistaken when I thought that other
network operators might be interested in saving themselves the time
and money of buying a broken piece of network equipment, which the
manufacturer won't support.
is there any other kind of networking equipment? even the best
of the vendors says "we suck less." the internet is about
building a scalable reliable network out of unreliable
components. unfortunately, most vendors seem to have taken as
license.
randy
yeah, I agree. this is one of the cases where they "suck more" and I
hoped that folks would be able to use the info to make an educated
guess as to who might suck less.
I'm kind of crazy like that. The last time I tried to warn off
unwitting consumers, I ended up spending $50k on legal fees
defending myself. http://goldengatevw.com/
For some reason, it think its worth it, but most folks seem to think
its off topic and stupid. I give up.
matto
> My apologies. Apparently I was mistaken when I thought that other
> network operators might be interested in saving themselves the time
> and money of buying a broken piece of network equipment, which the
> manufacturer won't support.
is there any other kind of networking equipment? even the best
of the vendors says "we suck less." the internet is about
building a scalable reliable network out of unreliable
components. unfortunately, most vendors seem to have taken as
license.
randy
--matt@snark.net------------------------------------------<darwin><
The only thing necessary for the triumph
of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
My apologies. Apparently I was mistaken when I thought that other
network operators might be interested in saving themselves the time
and money of buying a broken piece of network equipment, which the
manufacturer won't support.
Unless the Linksys router in question can do GigE, I'm not sure most network
operators would be interested in buying it. 
In all seriousness, this might be better posted on a list like Jupitermedia's
isp-tech, since the membership of that list consists of a lot of consumer ISPs
that might want to advise their customers to stay away from the product in
question.
Apparently you think that a mailing list of network operators is an
inappropriate venue.
In this case, I do. It's a consumer product.
Unless the Linksys router in question can do GigE, I'm not sure most
network
operators would be interested in buying it.
Interestingly enough, the WRT54G is capable of
gigE. First, the firmware in the device is Linux
and it can be upgraded and changed by the owner
in any way that they want. Many people have worked
on an enhanced and open version of the WRT54G
firmware.
http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g
As for gigE, if you open up the WRT54G you will see
that it has a mini-PCI wireless card. Some people
take these out and swap them with the mini-PCI
802.11b card in their laptops to gain a speed boost
in the laptop. But you can put any mini-PCI card in
here that has Linux drivers. And, yes, there are
mini-PCI gigE cards on the market. I don't know if
anyone has tried this yet, but it's only a matter of
time.
We live in interesting times...
In this case, I do. It's a consumer product.
One way to solve this problem, and recognize that many
IP network operators sell service to consumers as well
as peering, would be to offer the inet-access mailing
list to come under the NANOG umbrella, and then encourage
discussions to move to the appropriate list. There is no
reason why the NANOG community needs to limit itself to
a single-focus mailing list and a single-track conference.
--Michael Dillon
* Michael.Dillon@radianz.com [Tue 12 Apr 2005, 13:21 CEST]:
As for gigE, if you open up the WRT54G you will see
that it has a mini-PCI wireless card. Some people
Only the original (v1.0) hardware had that, so don't all rush to the
stores to see how well a 133MHz processor would cope with GigE, people...
In this case, I do. It's a consumer product.
One way to solve this problem, and recognize that many
IP network operators sell service to consumers as well
as peering, would be to offer the inet-access mailing
list to come under the NANOG umbrella, and then encourage
discussions to move to the appropriate list. There is no
reason why the NANOG community needs to limit itself to
a single-focus mailing list and a single-track conference.
We can already ask people to take their discussions to the appropriate
place. No need for that other place to fall under the same umbrella.
NANOG has a charter, and this whole thread falls squarely outside it.
-- Niels.
Interestingly enough, the WRT54G is capable of gigE.
Probably not at full speed, though. Its only an ARM
First, the firmware in the device is Linux and it can be upgraded and
changed by the owner in any way that they want. Many people have worked
on an enhanced and open version of the WRT54G firmware.
http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html
http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g
You might also look at www.openwrt.org for sw.
If you are willing to solder a surface mount chip in, you can have a
serial console, too.
--Dean
the other (and better IMHO) solution is to just build your own
box. You can't approach the Linksys cost, but you can
get good functionality.
Get a Soekris (www.soekris.com) board, (of various types)
and install the cards you need, either PCMCIA, USB, mini-PCI, etc..
You can then use your favourite x86 *nix distro and make
it work. You'll need to get a Power supply and a CF card but
i'd imagine that once you get it set up it'll work more reliably
(and be upgradable) than the existing consumer device.
There are others that make similar boards, so check
out your options, but it makes for a useful device..
- jared
Niels Bakker wrote:
* Michael.Dillon@radianz.com [Tue 12 Apr 2005, 13:21 CEST]:
In this case, I do. It's a consumer product.
One way to solve this problem, and recognize that many
IP network operators sell service to consumers as well
as peering, would be to offer the inet-access mailing
list to come under the NANOG umbrella, and then encourage
discussions to move to the appropriate list. There is no
reason why the NANOG community needs to limit itself to
a single-focus mailing list and a single-track conference.
We can already ask people to take their discussions to the appropriate
place. No need for that other place to fall under the same umbrella.
NANOG has a charter, and this whole thread falls squarely outside it.
Ditto. The inet-access list is one of the many "other lists" referenced in the NANOG FAQ as a place to discuss topics that may be of interest to *some* NANOG participants but which are off-topic to NANOG itself. Anyone who is interested in discussion about "consumer product" items (and other topics of interest to ISPs and network providers small and large) is welcome to subscribe to inet-access by sending email:
Body: subscribe
Reply to the confirmation email.
jc - list admin for inet-access
Interestingly enough, the WRT54G is capable of
gigE.
Heh. Didn't realize that.
> In this case, I do. It's a consumer product.
One way to solve this problem, and recognize that many
IP network operators sell service to consumers as well
as peering, would be to offer the inet-access mailing
list to come under the NANOG umbrella, and then encourage
discussions to move to the appropriate list.
I believe that falls under the category of "reinventing the wheel."
Besides, two more appropriate lists were already suggested, and inet-access
was one of them.