From: Charles Gucker [mailto:cgucker@onesc.net]
Well, httpd style logs will certainly "tell" where the
information came from.
No logging info of any sort would be enabled.
Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor
X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the
site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from
it's discovery.
If need be I'll off shore it.
Matt
Uhh, make sure the data isn't stored anywhere vendor
X's attornies can get to it. Rest assured, whoever hosts the
site would be sent paperwork in hours, if not minutes from
it's discovery.If need be I'll off shore it.
Matt
Fine, you can build it and off-shore it, but I suspect that is a case of "if you build it they will not come".
I think that people have made it fairly clear that this is a bad idea, but I don't think that anyone is going to stop you building it.
I am guessing that you will 1) get inflated prices because the people who are getting the really good discounts are going to be the ones with the most to lose personally and 2) lots of happy shiny letters from vendor's lawyers asking you for logs. Whether or not you have logs is largely irrelevant, you will still get the letters. I don't know about you, but I have better things to do than a: unnecessarily antagonize the same people that you presumable want to get a good discount from and b: collect subpoenas.
Warren.
If need be I'll off shore it.
Matt
you've had lots (some) folks point out the perceived dangers
of participating in such a venture. ... yet you continue to
insist that such a "service" will be of profound value to the
community as a whole and is not replicated anywhere else.
if you are so persuaded, then it seems that instead of
espousing the idea, trying to drum up public support, that
you should, to borrow a phrase, "just do it" ... and let
people know where the site is and how to use it. as usual,
YMMV. and you might want to get legal advice.
--bill
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?
I know they are silly in many case, but still...
Regards
Marshall Eubanks
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?
I agree as well. It amuses me to no end that this fellow is posting
from his work account at "onelegal.com".
matto
--matt@snark.net------------------------------------------<darwin><
The only thing necessary for the triumph
of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
registry
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?I know they are silly in many case, but still...
yes, they are silly and, imo, highly unethical. with certain types of
equipment an individual vendor or a pair of vendors have a virtual monopoly,
so their actions and policies should be viewed in that light.
with that said, two wrongs don't make a right. if you try to make something
happen to change their behaviour, such as persuading them to act differently
or compelling them to do so through regulation or legislation - great and
many thanks. however, giving someone your word (this is what signing an
agreement means) - at least for me - means i'm going to keep it. if you are
not prepared to do so, don't give it/sign it. morality is about *your*
behaviour first and foremost, since you can't be held responsible for that
of others.
-p
Not to mention the fact that his "group effort" would just result in
higher prices for everyone. Successful vendors are not stupid, they have
managed to grasp a concept that has eluded the networking industry for
quite some time: Profit.
Yes everyone loves it when their vendor takes them out to dinner, or out
for a night on the town, but at the end of the day who do you think pays
for it? You do. If you think your vendor is your friend in this industry,
your wallet is in for a bad time. Your vendor is your mortal enemy who you
just get to act friendly with, nothing more.
There is a profit margin which must be maintained, and that means the
vendors will excercise the time tested art of maximum extraction and
pricing at what the market will bear. Your good deal is funded by someone
else's bad deal, where a couple of bottles of wine made them pay $20mil
too much.
You have to remember, these are not a mass market consumer style products,
where a retailer buys at a wholesale price and sells at a retail price.
You aren't going to help push prices down by collecting data about who is
selling it for the cheapest. Even if you managed to successfully violate
every NDA on the planet and show everyone what everyone else is paying, it
will not change the bottom line profits which must be made. Every time you
see someone who paid more than you did (especially if they are your
competitor), you should rejoice, because they just funded your better
deal.
And if you have any doubt about who has and who hasn't mastered the art of
maximum extraction in the name of profit, compare:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cf?s=CSCO
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"Marshall Eubanks" <tme@multicasttech.com> writes:
Am I the only one who feels that an NDA, even an NDA with a vendor, is an
agreement that should be honored ?I know they are silly in many case, but still...
We certainly wish for our vendors to honor *their* NDAs with us, don't
we? RIRs come specifically to mind, but hardware vendors often get
sensitive information about our businesses as well. Honor is as honor
does. I'm with Marshall on this point.
BTW, I notice that "onelegal.com" is a civil litigation support
company. Maybe Matt is just trying to drum up some new business by
making this suggestion.
---Rob