OT:MarketSpeak

Someone needs to flog the marketing people at Sprint ..

  Marketing is marketing.

  It's hardly operational tho :wink:

  Ehud
  p.s. You have "microsoft" and "solutions" together in your .sig.
       That generally disqualifies you from slapping sprint's hand.

Since this is drifting, a bit, and it's got "OT" in the subject line, I'd
like to coin a new term for "collapsed SONET rings":

'Two-in-a-trough'

Catchy? Piped through the right marketing folks it could even sound like
something you'd want.

Charles

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ITYM "eggs-in-a-casket"

semi-operational: in the event that path inside a SONET ring switches
from active to protect and back, etc...does this generally show up on a
a router as a series of errors, an interface bounce, or not at all?

HTH,
Sam

I'm guessing that the routers won't notice a cutover, it's too fast. Could
someone with more operational experience with SONET confirm this?

Sam Thomas wrote:

semi-operational: in the event that path inside a SONET ring switches
from active to protect and back, etc...does this generally show up on a
a router as a series of errors, an interface bounce, or not at all?

Often both. The switch is spec'd at 50 milliseconds. Hardly a twitch
in human voice perception, but a heck of a lot of bad PPP checksums
in machine perception.

Worse, in my miserable experience, the APS would flip back and forth.
It's not supposed to, but it has. I firmly recommend: do not pay for
APS. Put the money toward diverse paths. As usual, Paul Vixie has got
it right!

WSimpson@UMich.edu
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APS is not intended to be a standalone protection factor. Implemented on routers, it will only protect you up to the first LTE. In most cases, this will be an in-house cross connect.

Don't confuse APS with 1+1 protection.

-Steve

in the case of you using a circuit (T1, DS3, ATM, ..) which your carrier transports over SONET, the best you'll see is a lost packet or ten.
(the actual switchover time is fast; the amount of data lost is dependent on the distance of the hop -- light 'in motion' is not recoverable).

in the case of you using a POS interface or similar, you may get APS notification, providing the ring that has failed is on the same element as you.

cheers,

lincoln.