These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet
would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could
speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and
bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly
picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of
the other two.
The rest of the list seems to basically fall into the categories of other
"tier 2" regionals (Hurricane Electric, Maxim, etc), content looking for a
way to save money on their transit bill (Hotmail, EA, etc), Asian networks
who have a circuit to the US but aren't willing to cross it and will take
any peers they can get (SingTel, KDD, etc), and misc small networks with
little overwhelming value.
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least
bi-costal these days.
You also missed a couple of the email contacts, abov is peering@ and
lightning is not noc@cp.net 
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed.
AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if
he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3
locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus
is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling
somewhere the middle of the other two.
come on richard... you know that Exodus has an open peering policy... 
of course, exodus has all their peering information online
http://bengi.exodus.net/external/peering.html
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least
bi-costal these days.
which isnt that much of a big deal today. x-country oc3s are what, 10k per
month now?
Christian
> These are the only large service provider networks I see listed.
> AboveNet would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if
> he could speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3
> locations and bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus
> is also slightly picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling
> somewhere the middle of the other two.
come on richard... you know that Exodus has an open peering policy...
Peering sluts?
> Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least
> bi-costal these days.
which isnt that much of a big deal today. x-country oc3s are what, 10k per
month now?
And GRE is free... A lesson a couple of those bicostal peers on that list
have taught us. 
* Richard A. Steenbergen (ras@e-gerbil.net) [010628 13:24] writeth:
AboveNet 198.32.176.11 6461 noc@above.net
Exodus 198.32.176.15 3967 peering@exodus.net
Global Crossing 198.32.176.29 3549 peering@gblx.net
These are the only large service provider networks I see listed. AboveNet
would probably peer with a bum on the street outside PAIX if he could
speak BGP, but AFAIK GBLX's requirements were at least 3 locations and
bi-costal at a minimium. If I remember correctly Exodus is also slightly
picky about its "ghetto peers", probably falling somewhere the middle of
the other two.
I was incorrect to list Global Crossing. Again, the list I presented is
based on my experience. I am just as willing to remove information as I am
to add or correct it. Global Crossing has been removed. My apologies for
any confusion this may have caused.
The rest of the list seems to basically fall into the categories of other
"tier 2" regionals (Hurricane Electric, Maxim, etc), content looking for a
way to save money on their transit bill (Hotmail, EA, etc), Asian networks
who have a circuit to the US but aren't willing to cross it and will take
any peers they can get (SingTel, KDD, etc), and misc small networks with
little overwhelming value.
It was neither a cheap nor an easy proposition for us to get our router
into PAIX. In fact, its probably the most expensive bandwidth I run since
the DS3 is way under utilized. The main reason I did it was to reduce
network distance to major peers. My only wish is that peering at all
exchanges was more open, as it increases their usefulness. Finding another
peering point where I can get 20+ willing peers like PAIX is a struggle.
Seems almost all the larger service providers are requiring at least
bi-costal these days.
I may be able to extend our network into the east coast in 2002. However,
as stated previously, peering requirements are a moving target. Once I can
afford a DS3 to the east, I'm sure that I'll have to deal with new peering
requirements that are just as hard to overcome.
if and when paix links to mae-west-ames, you can get a link to the FDDI
exchange. there is always PBNap and MAE-WEST-ATM (tho I dont know the
costs)
Christian
cnielsen@nielsen.net (Christian Nielsen) writes:
if and when paix links to mae-west-ames, you can get a link to the FDDI
exchange. there is always PBNap and MAE-WEST-ATM (tho I dont know the costs)
Won't work that way. PAIX is locating a switch in Ames whenever the contracts
and fiber are complete. Ames will likewise locate a switch at PAIX. But it
will be two switching fabrics that are each extended to the other's colo area,
not one bridged switching fabric like MAE-W/Ames used to be. Anyone who wants
to be on both fabrics will be able to do that by buying a port on each, which
will be possible in either the PAIX-PAO1, PAIX-SFO1, or Ames colo facilities.
Seems almost all the larger service providers are
requiring at least bi-costal these days.
Who would be added to this list if you had bi-costal
connectivity, with bi-costal being so inexpensive now?
Pete.
I'm not sure that's a simple question. Actually, relatively few peers
require "bi-costal" connectivity. Most require 3-5 geographically diverse
connections. Some actually have "zone maps", indicating areas where you must
have at least one connection per zone. Others are happy with one eastern,
one central, and one western connections.
- Dan
One thing I want to add to this thread for ISP Peering Coordinators is a plug for the Peering Contact Database (PCD).
The Peering Contact Database is a directory of ISP Peering Coordinators that started at the 1st Peering BOF at NANOG 17 in Montreal. See slides at http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9910/peering.html Peering Coordinators that toss in their business cards (or virtually provide their contact info) get added to the PCD and as a side effect get a copy of the Peering Contact Database about every 6 weeks.
The intent is to help folks (and there are a lot of them) that need to get peering contact information to initiate the process. During the my peering research getting this initial contact information turned out to be a real challenge. I would also point out that this is a small community service project that is not affiliated with my work at Equinix.
If (and only if) you are an ISP Peering Coordinator and would like to participate, please send e-mail to wbn@wbnorton.org and I'll return a copy of the PCD template to fill out.
Thanks and hope this helps!
Bill
I have a quick question for the group.
Has anyone attempted to keep a compiled list of major exchange points (incl.
NAPs) and their members? The information seems to be, by and large, freely
available at each EP website, but as far as I've seen each peering
coordinator compiles his own list of potential peers. I've just been doing
this myself, and it occurs to me that dozens of others must have gone
through the same effort.
Anyone have any information on such a list?
- Jeb Linton