North America not interested in IP V6

Here at DE-CIX (www.de-cix.net) I can see that more and more ISP are joining
the IPv6 trial (http://www.de-cix.net/info/decix-ipv6/) . Currently already
20% of all ~120 ISP at DE-CIX have IPv6 enabled.

I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
are using IPV6.

Regards,
Neil.

Neil, all,

> Here at DE-CIX (www.de-cix.net) I can see that more and more ISP are joining
> the IPv6 trial (http://www.de-cix.net/info/decix-ipv6/) . Currently already
> 20% of all ~120 ISP at DE-CIX have IPv6 enabled.

I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
are using IPV6.

in fact we (Tiscali) have three customers in Europe that
have their own /32 and are running v6 in parallel to v4, and
we do transit for them. I do not like that 'full table
everywhere' thing at all which is stil way too common in
Europe, it does not help pushing v6.

Regards,
Alexander

(AS-TISCALI-V6PEERS for whom it may concern)

Well, now we are talking about IPv6, I can ask a question right here :wink:

Does anyone have any experiences with the Cisco IPv6 IOS (T or S
releases)? Can be either good or bad experiences. I heard there were some
issues (router freezes etc) with the T releases...

Have to convince the management :slight_smile:

With kind regards,

Marcel Lemmen
Support Net - Partner in Managed Internet Solutions

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!>Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:12:38 +0200
!>From: Alexander Koch <koch@tiscali.net>
!>To: Neil J. McRae <neil@DOMINO.ORG>
!>Cc: "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold@nipper.de>,
!> Peter Galbavy <peter.galbavy@knowtion.net>, Roy <garlic@garlic.com>,
!> nanog@merit.edu
!>Subject: Re: North America not interested in IP V6
!>
!>
!>Neil, all,
!>
!>On Wed, 30 July 2003 11:58:34 +0100, Neil J. McRae wrote:
!>> > Here at DE-CIX (www.de-cix.net) I can see that more and more ISP are joining
!>> > the IPv6 trial (http://www.de-cix.net/info/decix-ipv6/) . Currently already
!>> > 20% of all ~120 ISP at DE-CIX have IPv6 enabled.
!>>
!>> I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
!>> are using IPV6.
!>
!>in fact we (Tiscali) have three customers in Europe that
!>have their own /32 and are running v6 in parallel to v4, and
!>we do transit for them. I do not like that 'full table
!>everywhere' thing at all which is stil way too common in
!>Europe, it does not help pushing v6.
!>
!>Regards,
!>Alexander
!>
!>(AS-TISCALI-V6PEERS for whom it may concern)
!>

Hi Marcel,
I tried 12.2(?)T last year and had problems, I put that down to problems in the
12.2T IOS tho not specific to v6.

I'm currently running 12.2S on ao couple routers, ipv6 is not enabled yet but
the IOS's have behaved well so far... the next step is to check it with ipv6 on

Steve

> Here at DE-CIX (www.de-cix.net) I can see that more and more ISP are
joining
> the IPv6 trial (http://www.de-cix.net/info/decix-ipv6/) . Currently already
> 20% of all ~120 ISP at DE-CIX have IPv6 enabled.

I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
are using IPV6.

This question came up in discussions at IETF-57, without a good answer.

As some of you may know,
I keep track of various metrics concerning multicast (displayed at
http://www.multicasttech.com/status ).
Does anyone do anything similar for IPv6 ? The only thing I am aware
of is in the I2 netflows, http://netflow.internet2.edu/weekly/ ,
which lately shows < a tenth of a % of Abilene traffic as IPv6.
Is there any more systematic IPv6 measurement work ?

Regards
Marshall Eubanks

At work we implimented 12.2(T) on our IPv6 routers and there were some
problems, can't recall specifics now, that meant we did do several IOS
upgrades to try and fix. Now we have just finished upgrading to 12.3 on
all our routers network-wide and only have the IPv6 functions turned on
for those routers we have IPv6 traffic going through...

  Regards,
  Jeremy

I've had very good luck with 12.2(14)S3 on the 7200
devices.

  I can't currently recommend any software for the 7500
if you have a CT3 interface in your router (as most of the
ones I manage do) that supports IPv6.

  The next Cisco release of 12.2S (it will likely be
called 12.2(18)S should have all the important IPv6 features
that would be necessary for a larger scale deployment (eg: OSPFv3)
of IPv6 services.

  If you're a customer of AS2914 and interested in
IPv6, you should send us a note ipv6@eng.verio.net, and we can
get things configured fairly quickly.

  I am seeing at peak 1Mb+ on some of our IPv6 locations
(mostly outside the US) but the trend does appear to be upwards.

  I know that other providers (Sprint, Hurricane Electric [i keep
getting those yellow postcards at home], to name a few) have IPv6
services currently available to customers. It seems fairly
easy to get a /48 allocation, so if you think you might go IPv6
in the next few years, it's worthwhile to set up a spare 26xx/36xx
at least to tunnel the traffic with.

  (I have also had good results with 12.3(1a) releases).

  - Jared

> I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
> are using IPV6.

This question came up in discussions at IETF-57, without a good answer.

I count 728 /48 entries in the RIPE database. These should correspond
to "sites" or customers (a couple of /48s are allocated to IXs).

As some of you may know,
I keep track of various metrics concerning multicast (displayed at
http://www.multicasttech.com/status ).
Does anyone do anything similar for IPv6 ? The only thing I am aware
of is in the I2 netflows, http://netflow.internet2.edu/weekly/ ,
which lately shows < a tenth of a % of Abilene traffic as IPv6.
Is there any more systematic IPv6 measurement work ?

I have been plotting the IPv6 ASNs for some time. These should be the
ISPs running IPv6. See:
http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/ipv6/measurements/index.html

  rvdp

Ronald van der Pol wrote:

> > I'd be more interested in seeing how many customer connections
> > are using IPV6.
>
> This question came up in discussions at IETF-57, without a
good answer.

I count 728 /48 entries in the RIPE database. These should correspond
to "sites" or customers (a couple of /48s are allocated to IXs).

The bad news here, or actually good news, is that many ISP's don't
register their client /48's. The SixXS project for instance
has 515 subnets currently given out to it's users.
We've put a REFER in the remark line to our own whois database
which contains up to date and full informations.
This is done because delegations can and will change quite a lot.

Many other tunnelbrokers exist, check for example freenet6, ipv6.he.net
and xs26, who apparently have loads of delegations, these are
not to be found in the registries either.

Next to that many people still use 6bone space...

Greets,
Jeroen

The bad news here, or actually good news, is that many ISP's don't
register their client /48's.

...

Many other tunnelbrokers exist, check for example freenet6, ipv6.he.net
and xs26, who apparently have loads of delegations, these are
not to be found in the registries either.

Next to that many people still use 6bone space...

Right. And I only counted 2001:600::/23 :frowning: The other RIPE space
has:
2001:600::/23 728
2001:800::/23 213
2001:a00::/23 67
2001:1400::/23 30
2001:1600::/23 0

So a remark like "... no one in Europe is interested either." is
nonsense.

  rvdp

That is absolute nonsense, but hey the people in the US don't know
that, because they don't know what is happening here *pinch* :wink:
And that we do actually try and keep up with the apnic countries.

Even Steve Deering admitted that, see the great presentation he
gave last year, in Amsterdam at isoc:
http://www.isoc.nl/activ/2002-Masterclass-IETF-IPv6.htm

It has a timeline (slides 47-50) showing the US falling behind
for at least 3 years... come on US show what you are good for :slight_smile:

Greets,
Jeroen