new.net: yet another dns namespace overlay play

[ this came from http://www.new.net/about_us_press.tp and appears not to be
  a joke. its operational impact will not be felt today, but if it's even
  moderately popular before it dies, operational impact WILL be felt. i'm
  quite surprised by some of the folks they list as their partners. --vix ]

  Contact:
  Claudia de Llano or Lisa Doiron
  Connors Communications
  (310) 452-7540
  claudia@connors.com or lisa@connors.com

                                                  Brad Copeland
                                                  New.net, Inc.
                                                  626-229-7800
                                                  pr@new.net

  New.net Expands Internet Naming With Launch of 20 New Top-Level Domain Names

         New Domain Name Registry's Technology Uses Existing Internet
       Naming System to Make Available Sensible, Meaningful Web Addresses

Pasadena, Calif. - March 5, 2001 - New.net (http://www.new.net), a domain
name registry created to meet the market demand for Web addresses with
logical, easy-to-remember extensions that make Internet navigation easier,
today officially released its first 20 new top-level domains. New.net has
developed a novel, proprietary approach, using software technology deployed
at either the network level by partner ISPs or on individual PCs, that uses
the existing Internet naming system to enable millions of users to gain
access to these new addresses.

With this launch, the Internet community will be able to purchase and use
domain names with extensions ("top-level domains") that were previously
unavailable. Each of the new top-level domains was chosen to enable
organizations and individuals to create Web addresses that more clearly
describe their product, service offering, group activity or passion. The
first 20 top-level domains being released are:

             .CHAT .GMBH .LTD .SPORT
             .CLUB .HOLA .MED .TECH
             .FAMILY .INC .MP3 .TRAVEL
             .FREE .KIDS .SHOP .VIDEO
             .GAME .LAW .SOC .XXX

"New.net will dramatically broaden the scope of available domain names,"
said David Hernand, CEO of New.net. "Our research has indicated a
tremendous market demand to move beyond .com and .net. We believe these new
extensions will make it far easier for companies and individuals to market
their Web sites using more intuitive addresses and for Internet users to
navigate the Web."

Availability

Domain names using the initial set of extensions are available on a
first-come, first-served basis for a flat fee of $25 per year. New.net
anticipates that the availability of such descriptive extensions will
inspire purchasers to provide content that is relevant to the specific
domain names purchased. However, as an added benefit to parents, the
company will require those purchasing domain names ending in .kids to offer
Web sites that contain kid-friendly content and comply with the Children's
Online Privacy Protection Act, and it reserves the right to revoke names
that aren't used accordingly.

Partnerships

Through strategic relationships with leading Internet Service Providers
(ISPs), including EarthLink, Excite@Home, and NetZero, over 16 million
users will have access to the New.net domains beginning this week. Other
Web users can activate their Internet browsers to recognize the new domain
names in a few seconds by visiting www.new.net.

"EarthLink is excited to partner with New.net as we identify new ways for
our subscribers to more easily find information on the Internet and in
turn, make their own Web sites more readily accessible to others," said,
Jon Irwin, executive vice president of EarthLink's user experience. "By
automatically making New.net available to our customer base, we are
enhancing EarthLink's online experience and helping to provide an open,
uncensored connection to the real Internet."

New.net has also embarked on a series of partnerships designed to promote
the mass downloading of its browser plug-in and widespread use of its new
domain names. In the first of these announcements, New.net has partnered
with MP3.com. As a result of this partnership, MP3.com will be an exclusive
third-party seller of .mp3 domain names and will encourage its millions of
visitors to activate New.net's browser plug-in. MP3.com's Web site hosts
what it believes is the largest collection of digital music available on
the Internet, with audio files posted from over 135,000 digital artists and
record labels. These artists will be able to sign up for unique Web
addresses with their name and the .mp3 extension (e.g.,
www.artistname.mp3).

Opportunities also exist for current registries and registrars of .com and
other domain names. New.net is currently in discussions with a wide variety
of companies to offer the New.net domains to their customers.

New.net is making additional efforts to win the trust of parents that .kids
sites will be appropriate for their children. As part of that effort,
New.net has reached an agreement in principle with .KIDS Domains, Inc. to
be the official registry of .kids domain names. Those applying for .kids
domain names will be required to publish content that is "kid-friendly" and
in compliance with the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) and
.KIDS Domains guidelines. .KIDS Domains will be screening all requests for
.kids domain names for appropriateness and will be implementing a process
to evaluate sites' compliance with guidelines for kid-friendly content.

The International Solution

"We believe that New.net's new domains will be particularly attractive to
the international community, which has been long-neglected by the existing
naming system," added Hernand. "By adding .gmbh, .ltd and .soc, in addition
to .inc, we can provide a more sensible naming system for businesses in a
wide variety of countries. And by introducing the .hola extension, we have
a unique top-level domain that will appeal to the growing population of
Spanish-speaking Internet families in the U.S. and around the world. In
addition, New.net's technology will allow the use of foreign-language
characters in both the domain name and the extension, unique among naming
systems."

The Technology

New.net is able to provide use of these new, top-level domains through
innovative, patent-pending technology that allows the New.net names to live
within the existing Internet domain name system. Whether on an individual
browser level via the New.net plug-in, or through software resident on a
participating ISP's server, requests to display Web pages with New.net
domain names are resolved by appending the additional extension .new.net
onto the address. As a result, requests are automatically routed to
New.net's DNS servers to determine the correct IP address of the computer
hosting the Web page. New.net has partnered with UltraDNS, one of the
Internet's leading DNS infrastructure services companies, to provide
scalable, global DNS services.

The Future

New.net plans to introduce additional new top-level domains based on
consumer and business demand. The company is engaged in ongoing market
research to narrow the list of possibilities and is actively seeking
consumer feedback on its Web site in order to assist in making sound,
market-driven choices. New.net will also consider proposals submitted by
third parties interested in having particular top-level domains released.

About New.net

New.net (http://www.new.net) is building the Internet's leading
market-driven domain name registry business by selling domain names with
logical, easy-to-remember top-level domain extensions that make the
Internet easier to navigate. Based in Pasadena, California, the company was
started in May 2000 by idealab!, a leading Internet incubator. Since that
time, New.net has developed propriety technology that allows its
domain-naming system to exist alongside the traditional naming systems
currently in use on the Internet.

                  # # #

    � 2001 New.net, Inc. All rights reserved.

Yet another money hungry company looking to Balkanize the Internet. I guess they figure if Verisign can do it via their national language domain suffixes, why not us too!?

-Hank

[ this came from http://www.new.net/about_us_press.tp and appears not to be
  a joke. its operational impact will not be felt today, but if it's even
  moderately popular before it dies, operational impact WILL be felt. i'm
  quite surprised by some of the folks they list as their partners. --vix ]

  Contact:
  Claudia de Llano or Lisa Doiron
  Connors Communications
  (310) 452-7540
  claudia@connors.com or lisa@connors.com

                                                  Brad Copeland
                                                  New.net, Inc.
                                                  626-229-7800
                                                  pr@new.net

  New.net Expands Internet Naming With Launch of 20 New Top-Level Domain Names

         New Domain Name Registry's Technology Uses Existing Internet
       Naming System to Make Available Sensible, Meaningful Web Addresses

Pasadena, Calif. - March 5, 2001 - New.net (http://www.new.net), a domain
name registry created to meet the market demand for Web addresses with
logical, easy-to-remember extensions that make Internet navigation easier,
today officially released its first 20 new top-level domains. New.net has
developed a novel, proprietary approach, using software technology deployed
at either the network level by partner ISPs or on individual PCs, that uses
the existing Internet naming system to enable millions of users to gain
access to these new addresses.

With this launch, the Internet community will be able to purchase and use
domain names with extensions ("top-level domains") that were previously
unavailable. Each of the new top-level domains was chosen to enable
organizations and individuals to create Web addresses that more clearly
describe their product, service offering, group activity or passion. The
first 20 top-level domains being released are:

             .CHAT .GMBH .LTD .SPORT
             .CLUB .HOLA .MED .TECH
             .FAMILY .INC .MP3 .TRAVEL
             .FREE .KIDS .SHOP .VIDEO
             .GAME .LAW .SOC .XXX

<cut>

Through strategic relationships with leading Internet Service Providers
(ISPs), including EarthLink, Excite@Home, and NetZero....

God I love BizDev people.

New.net is able to provide use of these new, top-level domains through
innovative, patent-pending technology that allows the New.net names to live
within the existing Internet domain name system.

patent-pending technology? oh brother.

I thought VC's started doing research before handing out $$? If this was
1999, it wouldn't surprise me. But my god, you would think these fools
would learn. Anyone want to start a free colocation facility? Free dial,
free colo, whats the difference. I'm sure whoever funded New.net will
fund us!

Through strategic relationships with leading Internet Service Providers
... over 16 million users will have access to the New.net domains

oooo.

a whole 16 million users!

Interesting that they point all "unassigned" names at their own "not in use" page with a Google frame at the bottom.

[rusty@nerdvana rusty]$ nslookup mp3.mp3 UDNS2.NEWDOTNET.NET
Server: udns2.newdotnet.net
Address: 204.74.101.253

Name: mp3.mp3
Address: 64.208.49.135

[rusty@nerdvana rusty]$ nslookup dog.mp3.mp3 UDNS2.NEWDOTNET.NET
Server: udns2.newdotnet.net
Address: 204.74.101.253

Name: dog.mp3.mp3
Address: 64.208.49.135

[rusty@nerdvana rusty]$ nslookup blowme.mp3 UDNS2.NEWDOTNET.NET
Server: udns2.newdotnet.net
Address: 204.74.101.253

Name: blowme.mp3
Address: 64.208.49.135

> Through strategic relationships with leading Internet Service Providers
> (ISPs), including EarthLink, Excite@Home, and NetZero....

God I love BizDev people.

> New.net is able to provide use of these new, top-level domains through
> innovative, patent-pending technology that allows the New.net names to live
> within the existing Internet domain name system.

patent-pending technology? oh brother.

I thought VC's started doing research before handing out $$? If this was
1999, it wouldn't surprise me. But my god, you would think these fools
would learn. Anyone want to start a free colocation facility? Free dial,
free colo, whats the difference. I'm sure whoever funded New.net will
fund us!

Dude, it gets better.

From the release:

Internet easier to navigate. Based in Pasadena, California, the
company was started in May 2000 by idealab!, a leading Internet
incubator. Since that time, New.net has developed propriety technology
that allows its
      
Ah, another idealab! company. Lets see, what OTHER idealab! companies
have screwed themselves lately (according to FuckedCompany.com[0])?

* idealab! itself
* eToys.com - still doing their final closeout sale
* refer.com - closed
* cooking.com - 20% layoffs (rumor)
* utility.com - all offered services suspended
* CarsDirect.com - webserver's gone
* petsmart.com - pulled IPO
* modo.net - closed
* firstlook.com - 30% layoffs (rumor)
* eve.com - webserver's gone.

And there's a couple other notable mentions, including lawsuits and other
funness.

idealab! is making a name for itself in funding lots of companies that are
tanking left and right. And they don't even have the decency to remove
their fallen children from their homepage (utility.com, netzero, and
carsdirect being notables)...

-j

[0] - I take FuckedCompany with a grain of salt (as I assume everyone else
does), but many of their reports on idealab! have been shown to be true
(or very close to accurate) as reported.

Gack. I have misspoken myself. I was getting !H's on these, but now
they're working. Probably because of the flapping on my UUNet T1 (*cough*
I thought they fixed this last time *cough*)...

* CarsDirect.com - webserver's gone

Webserver is still up, apparently doing business. But they yanked their
IPO (nice)...

* eve.com - webserver's gone.

Webserver is there, but the business is gone, they're redirecting to
sephora.com.

Sorry bout that. This proves I should be at home asleep at 2am, not
fixing stupid scripts.

-j

Paul A Vixie wrote:

[ this came from http://www.new.net/about_us_press.tp and appears not to be
  a joke. its operational impact will not be felt today, but if it's even
  moderately popular before it dies, operational impact WILL be felt. i'm
  quite surprised by some of the folks they list as their partners. --vix ]

This reminds me of the days of Eugene Kashpureff.
Ironically, while I can ping www.new.net - notice what it resolves to :

64 bytes from mm4ee.vegas.idealab.com (64.208.49.141): icmp_seq=0 ttl=247 time=72.345 msec

I cannot get the web page.

Also, look at

The Technology

New.net is able to provide use of these new, top-level domains through
innovative, patent-pending technology that allows the New.net names to live
within the existing Internet domain name system. Whether on an individual
browser level via the New.net plug-in, or through software resident on a
participating ISP's server, requests to display Web pages with New.net
domain names are resolved by appending the additional extension .new.net
onto the address. As a result, requests are automatically routed to
New.net's DNS servers to determine the correct IP address of the computer
hosting the Web page. New.net has partnered with UltraDNS, one of the
Internet's leading DNS infrastructure services companies, to provide
scalable, global DNS services.

So, in other words, if ICANN approves any of the same top level domains, DNS
for those domains will be totally hosed.

Also, note that they did not give in their PR AN EXAMPLE for the rest of us to try.

Marshall Eubanks

  Contact:
  Claudia de Llano or Lisa Doiron
  Connors Communications
  (310) 452-7540
  claudia@connors.com or lisa@connors.com

                                                  Brad Copeland
                                                  New.net, Inc.
                                                  626-229-7800
                                                  pr@new.net

  New.net Expands Internet Naming With Launch of 20 New Top-Level Domain Names

<snip>

   Multicast Technologies, Inc.
   10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410
   Fairfax, Virginia 22030
   Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609
   e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com

I can personally attest that VC's do not do any research when doling out
the guappa...

On Mar 5, 2001 Steve Rubin spake:

Too bad ICANN has been such a complete and utter failure that an
organization felt it necessary to start such a business, huh?

:
:On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Paul A Vixie wrote:
:
:>
:> [ this came from http://www.new.net/about_us_press.tp and appears not to be
:> a joke. its operational impact will not be felt today, but if it's even
:> moderately popular before it dies, operational impact WILL be felt. i'm
:> quite surprised by some of the folks they list as their partners. --vix ]
:
:Too bad ICANN has been such a complete and utter failure that an
:organization felt it necessary to start such a business, huh?

Sounds like this was driven more by carelessness and greed than by
necessity.

While I agree that the implementation leaves something to be desired, this
appears to be driven by pent-up market demand. Apparently this equates to
greed in your book. *shrug*

Here's the part of new.net that seems not well thought out. So if you don't
wanna dink with system settings to be an end user, and are not on a partner
network, then too bad, is that what I appear to be seeing?

2. Are there differences between how New.net domain names and .COM/.NET/.ORG
domain names work?
There are some differences, but in many ways the domain names work the same.

One difference is that in order for people to see New.net domain names they
must be either accessing the Internet through one of our many ISP partners
or they must have downloaded and installed our Web browser plug-in.

If either one of these requirements is met, then New.net domains will work
just as you are used to .com and .net domains working.

3. Who is helping to shape New.net?
New.net has many partners who are working with us to make New.net domains
widely recognized around the world. Some of our current partners include:
Earthlink, NetZero, Excite@Home, .KIDS Domains, Inc., and MP3.com.

    Brian

Rich Sena wrote:

I can personally attest that VC's do not do any research when doling out
the guappa...

Then you really haven't been through very many VC due diligence examinations
recently, have you?

Alec

* Brian (bri@sonicboom.org) [010306 17:19]:

Here's the part of new.net that seems not well thought out. So if you don't
wanna dink with system settings to be an end user, and are not on a partner
network, then too bad, is that what I appear to be seeing?

No I think it was thought out. This is pysically no different than any
of the other alternative roots that have popped up in the past (quite a
few of them are still around I believe). Just that new.net has actually
come to agreements with several large ISP's (earthlink, netzero,
excite@home) for their domains to be reachable through them (at least
that's how I read their website). This gives them access to a large
subscriber base. I believe they are hoping by having market
penetration, thus generating interest and usage, that they will give
other ISP's no choice but to eventually join the new.net crowd, or lose
customers.

Greg

Brian,

I'm curious, the use of UDNS1 and UDNS2 in your nameserver
host names seems to suggest that UltraDNS is affiliated
with this somehow. Is that true or was it just a bad
choice of hostnames?

KL

Brian wrote:

Sorry Brian, the way I read the quotes in your
post it looked like you were speaking for them.
It is a good question though.

KL

Kevin Loch wrote:

Too bad people can believe what they read in press releases rather than
reality.

I wonder if anyone can register a name with them, and then sue them for
not actually adding any new TLDs? Aside from the misrepresentation of it
being anythign other than subdomains in their zone, it is a good thing.
Of course, that misrepresentation is slimy, will cause confusion if and
when any of those *.new.net zones match new TLDs, and is the hallmark of
shysters. I think the comments about EK and Balkanizing are spot on, but
the only tell half the story; this is also about duping of the masses
at the end of the pipe.

Just like when news servers became measured by the locker-room length of
your .newsrc; when the unscrupulous goons down the block started giving
any and all comers *.(com|net|org) regarless what kind of entity it was
...if a critical mass of folks are duped into believing this is the Way
It Is, will this eat away at sanity and will you find your bosses saying
"it may not be 'right' but we have to stay competative" ...?

Bleah.

Joe

2. Are there differences between how New.net domain names and
.COM/.NET/.ORG domain names work? There are some differences, but in many
ways the domain names work the same.

Nope. You query a resolver, and it returns the best answer that it
knows. Resolvers only do what you tell them to do.

One difference is that in order for people to see New.net domain names
they must be either accessing the Internet through one of our many ISP
partners or they must have downloaded and installed our Web browser
plug-in.

In order to use the New.net names, you just need to query a resolver that
knows about them. The '.com/.net/.org' block has a distinct advantage,
since most resolvers find out about their servers by default.

They are providing DNS.