Just to clarify, the product mentioned in the article is Websense. Websense is not a Cisco product. (In fact, it's not even listed in Cisco's price list...) A quick glance at http://www.websense.com/ indicates that integration is offered with over 18 different firewalling products, not just Cisco's PIX.
While I may or may not agree with China's politics, I think that to lay this issue at Cisco's doorstep may be a bit much.
Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738
Systems Engineer
Cisco Systems, Inc.
franjime@cisco.com
I was recently SPAMMED by a WCOM sales-droid. Wanting to bring this to
the attention to as many movers-and-shakers as possible, I forwarded the
SPAM to nanog-post. When it did not show up on the list, I sent it
again. No show again, I unsubscribed, resubscribed and resent it (yet
again). Immediately after the resend, I sent a test message to the
list. Strangely, the test message made it to the list but the WCOM
message still has not made it to the list.
Is the list being moderated or filtered in some way? It is quite suspect
that it is a message that would be embarrassing to WCOM that doesn't work
but any othe message makes it through.
Has anyone else seen this phenomenon?
Many of you will no-doubt harrass me about the WCOM forward being OT and
not appropriate for NANOG. I disagree. When WCOM and companies it owns
claim to be so ANTI-SPAM yet they SPAM to troll for customers, it deserves
as much press (read: EMBARRASSING EXPOSURE) as possible to hopefully shame
them into ceasing such tactics and getting rid of sales-droids who employ
such tactics.
Apparently. That, or it's somehow silently discarding random messages
of an operational nature, either of which is a bad thing(tm).
-adam
.. or your forwarded spam had some "key words" in the first few lines
of the post (subscribe, unsubscribe, help, etc) and it was either
forwarded to the list maintainers, or automagically processed.
.. which, may or may not have anything to do with people getting
magically unsubscribed, as I don't know what you attempted to post.
2c,
Adrian
Is the list being moderated or filtered in some way? It is quite suspect
that it is a message that would be embarrassing to WCOM that doesn't work
but any othe message makes it through.
I've not seen it. I've had no trouble posting to NANOG.
I've gotten spammed by one UUNet employee, and it was a while ago.
The guy was a flaming idiot (which I think is a prerequisite to sell for
UUNet). I actually called and cussed him out, and he swore up and down
that UUNet doesn't spam. (Whatever.)
Regardless, this is probably better posted on SPAM-L... not here.
claim to be so ANTI-SPAM yet they SPAM to troll for customers, it deserves
as much press (read: EMBARRASSING EXPOSURE) as possible to hopefully shame
them into ceasing such tactics and getting rid of sales-droids who employ
such tactics.
The only Worldcom unit I'll do business with is Intermedia. They're
white-hat (shiny white-hat) WRT spam and network abuse, and my Intermedia
sales rep is clued and quite responsive. (E-mailed him, and he called me
back within 15 minutes.)
And I was an Intermedia reseller before they were snapped up by Worldcom.