Greetings everyone - NANOG and ARIN are very happy to announce our 2nd back-to-back
meetings, NANOG29 and ARIN XII:
I am very glad to see another joint meeting. I think this was an excellent
idea and worked out very well for both organizations the first time.
I am sad to see it in Chicago. I realize ARIN/NANOG had to organize this
some time ago, probably before Mayor Daley bulldozed Meigs field in the
middle of the night without warning to the FAA (or anyone else).
FWIW, AOPA has organized a boycott of Chicago until Meigs field is restored
to operational status.
This might be considered off-topic, but I know several ISPs that depend
on General Aviation to get personnel and parts to sites in emergencies.
Meigs field was the closest GA airport to downtown Chicago. In fact, it
is basically _IN_ downtown Chicago, within sight of Sears Tower (even some
of the lower floors).
As such, it is not unlikely that mayor Daley's act of terrorism (done in the
name of security, by the way) has operational impact. Hopefully by October,
Meigs will be operational and this will be moot. However, if it is not, it
will be very difficult for me to bring myself to attend. (If it were anything
less than ARIN/NANOG, I simply would not attend).
If anyone wants more information about the destruction of Meigs field,
please see http://www.aopa.org. Please send any comments/questions to
me off-list. I suspect the rest of the group doesn't want to hear the
flames/etc.
Owen
(donning nomex now)
As such, it is not unlikely that mayor Daley's act of terrorism (done in
the
name of security, by the way) has operational impact. Hopefully by
October,
Meigs will be operational and this will be moot. However, if it is not,
it
will be very difficult for me to bring myself to attend. (If it were
anything
less than ARIN/NANOG, I simply would not attend).If anyone wants more information about the destruction of Meigs field,
please see http://www.aopa.org. Please send any comments/questions to
me off-list. I suspect the rest of the group doesn't want to hear the
flames/etc.Owen
(donning nomex now)
Actually I'm glad to see it brought up. As a fellow pilot I am equally
appalled by the mayors actions. I agree completely with the boycott and
would like to see this brought to the attention of the city that ARIN/NANOG
may have trouble attracting members to Chicago due to the terrorist acts of
their mayor.
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
(419) 720-3635
A little quick on the gun with the "Terrorist" label? Is everyone you
disagree with in public office a "Terrorist"?
So don't fly to a Chicago airport, stay in a Chicago hotel ( there are
plenty in the suburbs not too far outside the city ).
There's quite a few GA airports around the area. Palwaukee airport in
the NW subs is decently sized. Lake in the Hills airport is about 10
minutes from where I live, so maybe you could hitch a ride... 
I for one am glad to see Nanog in Chicago, as in the age of dimminishing
travel budgets I will actually be able to attend rather than try to watch
an intermittant video stream.
-Chris
A little quick on the gun with the "Terrorist" label? Is everyone you
disagree with in public office a "Terrorist"?
Nope - I absolutely mean terrorist. When you show up at 1:00am with
Bulldozers and destroy public property without telling anyone what you are
about to do what would you call it? What do you think you would get called
if you did it?
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
(419) 720-3635
A vandal?
Where is the terror or incitement thereof?
Rgds,
-drc
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 16:03:22 -0400
From: Mark Radabaugh
Nope - I absolutely mean terrorist. When you show up at
1:00am with Bulldozers and destroy public property without
telling anyone what you are about to do what would you call
it? What do you think you would get called if you did it?
s/bulldozer/backhoe/ and I think we have the plot for a B-grade
geek horror movie.
"Night of the Backhoes: The NANOG That Went Dreadfully Wrong"
Eddy
And, with his "I closed Meigs for national security reasons" excuse, Mayor Daley wins
the bad actor award. (Even Tom Ridge didin't buy that excuse.)
For what it's worth, I recommend a venue change.
-Rob
This is a joke, right? A disagreement over civil aviation and local
politics is being labeled as "terrorism" and for this (completely
off-topic) reason, we are to somehow protest or boycott? I sincerely doubt
that this situation will have any kind of significant impact on NANOG or
ARIN attendance.
- Dan
During the Civil War, it was common for Union politicians to label
anything they didn't like as "rebellious" or "treasonous." In the
20th century, the word was "nazi," or, especially the McCarthy era,
"communist." Now it is "terrorist."
In any case, it is inaccurate, manipulative, and childish, and does
not belong on a professional mailing list. Call me a treasonous
communist nazi terrorist, but do it off list, please.
-Dave
This subject is probably was off topic here. It's just that Meigs is a passion for all pilots, considered one of the most beautiful airport destinations in the US. for anyone that has flight simulator it's the most often chosen destination and the one always highlighted by the vendor.
It has been a target for closure for many many years because they want to turn the land into some kind of crazy project or other... sort of a public works project that probably wont add much value.
Meanwhile if you are from the midwest and want to get to nanog without delays, quickly and easily, Meigs is literally right downtown, right in the lake.
Just respect that this is another one of those causes us nanog types are drawn too, almost hopeless causes under attack by bureaucrats with irrational agendas. At this point Im not sure there is much we can do. In the FUTURE perhaps the list should be allowed to give comments on proposed locations and hosts prior to official selection...
/rant
Dave