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I chose a bad example, and folks are missing the point. I picked town
names because it was a glaring case that I knew of personally -- but
we've all seen similar behavior in "legitimate" .com space.

But if you want to beat on my original point -- as I and others have
noted, the townname.nj.us domains were also grabbed by speculators. In
other words, that wasn't an option, either. I haven't tracked the
process failure or the policy failure that gave rise to that situation,
but it's very real. I live in Westfield -- try www.westfield.nj.us.
Then try some neighboring towns -- Kenilworth, Cranford, Fanwood,
Summit, and more.

    --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb

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Nowhere in ISI's regulations have I seen that a city is entitled to
have cityname.state.us. That's what ci.cityname.state.us is for,
and AFAIK there is no way for you to register anything under
ci.cityname.state.us unless you're affiliated with that city's government.
IMO, it makes sense to do that.

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Quoting Saint skullY the Dazed (skully@netlsd.org):

> But if you want to beat on my original point -- as I and others have
> noted, the townname.nj.us domains were also grabbed by speculators. In
> other words, that wasn't an option, either. I haven't tracked the
> process failure or the policy failure that gave rise to that situation,
> but it's very real. I live in Westfield -- try www.westfield.nj.us.
> Then try some neighboring towns -- Kenilworth, Cranford, Fanwood,
> Summit, and more.

Nowhere in ISI's regulations have I seen that a city is entitled to
have cityname.state.us. That's what ci.cityname.state.us is for,
and AFAIK there is no way for you to register anything under
ci.cityname.state.us unless you're affiliated with that city's government.
IMO, it makes sense to do that.

Hate to point out the obvious, but if one controls the zone
westfield.nj.us, then they also have total control over delegating
name service and assignment of any zones beneath it, i.e.
ci.westfield.nj.us. Hence, back to the original dillema :slight_smile: They have
to deal with a company in Norfolk:

Registrant:
Online Cafe
17 Washington Street
Norwalk, CT 06854
US

Online Cafe??

It's nice of norwalk.com to allow axfr :slight_smile:

Note summit.nj.us has a "ci" subdomain, while westfield.nj.us has
almost nothing, except "jix".

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> axfr summit.nj.us @ns1.norwalk.com
; (1 server found)
$ORIGIN summit.nj.us.
@ 6H IN SOA ns1.norwalk.com. jw.research.troy.ny.us. (
                                        25 ; serial
                                        14h11m30s ; refresh
                                        2H ; retry
                                        2W ; expiry
                                        6H ) ; minimum

                        6H IN NS ns1.norwalk.com.
                        6H IN NS NS5.NORWALK.COM.
                        6H IN MX 20 MAIL.TROY.NY.us.
                        6H IN MX 10 mail.norwalk.com.
                        6H IN A 167.206.48.79
ci 1W IN NS ns.instantlink.com.
                        1W IN NS ns.rivint.com.
friends 1W IN NS ns.timhunt.net.
                        1W IN NS ns3.swaney.com.
                        1W IN NS ns2.swaney.com.
                        1W IN NS sun1.swaney.com.
mail 6H IN CNAME @
www 6H IN CNAME @
kentplace 1W IN NS pri2.dns.psi.net.
                        1W IN NS pri3.dns.psi.net.
                        1W IN NS pri1.dns.psi.net.
apollo 1W IN NS dns.apollo
                        1W IN NS dns2.apollo

; <<>> DiG 8.2 <<>> axfr westfield.nj.us @ns1.norwalk.com
; (1 server found)
$ORIGIN westfield.nj.us.
@ 6H IN SOA ns1.norwalk.com. jw.research.troy.ny.us. (
                                        18 ; serial
                                        14h12m ; refresh
                                        2H ; retry
                                        2W ; expiry
                                        6H ) ; minimum

                        6H IN NS ns1.norwalk.com.
                        6H IN NS NS5.NORWALK.COM.
                        6H IN MX 10 mail.norwalk.com.
                        6H IN MX 20 MAIL.TROY.NY.us.
                        6H IN A 167.206.48.76
jix 1W IN NS ns1.nac.net.
                        1W IN NS ns2.nac.net.
mail 6H IN CNAME @
www 6H IN CNAME @
@ 6H IN SOA ns1.norwalk.com. jw.research.troy.ny.us. (
                                        18 ; serial
                                        14h12m ; refresh
                                        2H ; retry
                                        2W ; expiry
                                        6H ) ; minimum

Aaron

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Saint skullY the Dazed <skully@netlsd.org> writes:

AFAIK there is no way for you to register anything under
ci.cityname.state.us unless you're affiliated with that city's
government. IMO, it makes sense to do that.

Errr...If somebody already has "cityname.state.us", they implicitly
have ownership of "ci.cityname.state.us". They just have to add it to
their DNS zone files.

If it were "cityname.ci.state.us", it would be another story, but for
some strange reason that's not how it's done.

-----ScottG.