Stop it, Bill.
Owen didn't say "privately owned *toll road*"; "very wealthy gated
communities" are even still rarely large enough to need their own
turnpikes.
If you keep setting up straw men, we'll be happy to knock them down for
you, but you'll end up looking a little foolish.
Stop trying to make the arguments fit the end-game, and have the same
conversation the rest of us are, ok?
(And the next assertion you shouldn't make is that I'm saying governments
are perfect, or even better than private corporations *IN GENERAL*; we're
talking about a very specific commons, with a very specific set of
requirements that are not well served by proprietary profit-making
corporations.)
Cheers,
-- jra
(A) The referenced example, the HOVE RMC, is 157 miles of privately
owned road which is neither a toll road nor a gated community.
(B) That was a private message to you and Owen. Is there a particular
reason you felt the need to add nanog back to the recipients list?
-Bill
From: "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us>
>> Ironically, I've had the opposite experience. The nearby Dulles Toll
>> Road, Greenway and Beltway HOT lanes are all in much better condition
>> than all but a few of the rest of the local roads. My buddies out
>> at http://hoveroad.com/ don't keep the roads in as good shape, but
>> they are in excellent repair for an organization that maintains 157
>> miles of roads on a $1M annual budget. Vastly better than what I've seen
>> a municipality achieve for the same price.
>
> Stop it, Bill.
>
> Owen didn't say "privately owned *toll road*"; "very wealthy gated
> communities" are even still rarely large enough to need their own
> turnpikes.
>
> If you keep setting up straw men, we'll be happy to knock them down
> for you, but you'll end up looking a little foolish.
(A) The referenced example, the HOVE RMC, is 157 miles of privately
owned road which is neither a toll road nor a gated community.
That was one example of 4, the last. The other appear to be toll roads,
though I don't live in the neighborhood.
(B) That was a private message to you and Owen. Is there a particular
reason you felt the need to add nanog back to the recipients list?
Cause my mailer isn't RFC 2919 compliant. Sorry.
Cheers,
-- jra
....
Cause my mailer isn't RFC 2919 compliant. Sorry.
Zimbra has had open "follow the damn RFC's"
tickets out there for a number of years. Perhaps
it is past time to migrate away (fool me once,
shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me for three consecutive version upgrades....)
From: "Gary Buhrmaster" <gary.buhrmaster@gmail.com>
....
> Cause my mailer isn't RFC 2919 compliant. Sorry.
Zimbra has had open "follow the damn RFC's"
tickets out there for a number of years.
I know.
I wrote the vast majority of them, when I installed 5.x
in 2009.
Perhaps
it is past time to migrate away (fool me once,
shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me for three consecutive version upgrades....)
The machine my personal Z6 server is on, since I left that job,
is 64 bit, but I only had 32 bit Centos5 laying around to install it
with at that time, and to upgrade Zimbra I now *have to* upgrade the
OS as well, which boosts the tuit requirements enough notches that I
just haven't done it yet. It's about to be replaced by something
much newer and faster, which will get Z8... and then I'll retarget all
the tickets which they likely *still* haven't fixed. :-}
Cheers,
-- jra
Indeed. One is a purely private toll road, one is a public-private
partnership toll road and one is owned and operated by a
quasi-governmental agency. Why consider just one class of private
roads when you can examine examples of four?
VDOT actually does a halfway decent job of maintaining local public
roads but they spend a vast fortune on it and they're decades (with an
s) behind expanding those roads to meet the demand. Compared to
Verizon/Netflix they're about the same: works OK a good part of the
day but comes to a screeching halt during the quarter of the day that
are prime hours. Compare that to Maryland which enjoys reducing lanes
for construction work on already congested roads for months at a time
and DC itself which spends a cast fortune on roads which are usually
in worse condition *after* the maintenance. Soon the roads there will
have more metal plate surface area than asphalt. DC roads are like a
network with permanent 10% packet loss and your only alternative is
geo satellite.
But HOVE is a nice example. As a land owner and therefore shareholder
in the RMC, I pay my fees every year. I vote directly on those fees
too, so if I'm not happy I have some real control.
As a shareholder of Verizon I have no control. I truly earnestly wish
my stock would go to zero. Rather, I wish for Verizon to encounter
trouble that would cause my stock to drop to zero. But as long as that
isn't happening I may as well collect the dividend. If the government
ran it, I couldn't even do that.
What were we talking about? I forget.
Regards,
Bill Herrin