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> Today it has become (close to) completely useless. ...
i wish that the value of this activity were zero. instead
, it's negative. see
<http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html>
for details. --
That's all fine and dandy until you consider the
international base of these things. I'd like to see
"...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government
thugs...kicking in a door somewhere and confiscating every
powered device and every living person in the building" in
China, an African country, Russia, or <insert country of
choice here>. These things span continents and countries
and every time you cutoff the current head, it immediately
spawns another and not always in a country that cares.
scott
> That's all fine and dandy until you consider the
> international base of these things. I'd like to see
> "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text] government
> thugs...kicking in a door somewhere and confiscating every
...
This is a common fallacy which goes back to practically day 1 of The
Spam Crisis (tm). I remember being invited to a meeting at the
Massachussets state house probably around 1998 and being shouted down
by this reasoning for a few minutes.
Believe it or not spam is not the only internationalized problem on
this planet. There's drug trade, actual high-seas piracy, slave trade,
phone fraud, investment fraud, and on and on.
So the usual snappy response is: And look how well we do with all that!
Well, yes, you can make the best the enemy of the good. But there's a
logical fallacy involved in trying to extrapolate that to "so
therefore we should do nothing".
Pressure can be put onto countries which are either spam-friendly or,
more likely, spam agnostic (it's just not on their list of
priorities.)
Spam crime is of only limited value to those countries, one just has
to find that value and the right buttons to push.
surfer@mauigateway.com ("Scott Weeks") writes:
From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
<http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html>
... I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text]
government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere ...
i apologize for writing so sloppily that you mistook my meaning in this way.
i am a citizen of the US but i have always recognized that the internet is
a transnational entity. nowhere and in no way did i mean to imply that all
potential kickers in of doors are US LEOs. barry shein understood correctly.
Paul Vixie wrote:
surfer@mauigateway.com ("Scott Weeks") writes:
From: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
<http://fm.vix.com/internet/security/superbugs.html>
... I'd like to see "...jackbooted [US is implied in the text]
government thugs...kicking in a door somewhere ...
Paul, it is people like you tell us there is still hope in the US 
There is a nuclear bunker between the shelde rivers in the netherlands.
The facility used to house an XTC lab and the turkish root - and the
police would not dare to kick their doors in because the guys told them
they were an indpendent country and threatened to send bombs upon
Amsterdam
And there are other countries in europe were it is a military secret
that they are wearing boots and they are able to kick doors in.
Cheers
Peter and Karin