As I said before, provide pointers to resources where users can follow up on actually
resolving the issues. Their ISP, their IT department, web pages with additional
information on how to diagnose the problem, etc.
Owen
I would guess a typical user will call their local helpdesk or ISP first if they have problems. They won't have a clue that Google or Facebook are down or slow due to IPv6 connectivity issues.
In which case MS providing a syskb entry for those support people to point the user at seems pretty reasonable.
One major MS site has gone dual-stack this morning btw 
Tim
The day passing without any significant userland issues would make it a success.
It's a good opportunity to ensure you have the right measurement tools in place so you can learn something from the day. For sites that have dual-stack deployed, a one-day peek into the future where perhaps 15% or more of external traffic will be IPv6 is pretty useful, given it's currently 1% or less.
Tim
Being a techie, I do want some people to have broken networks
that day so they can *fix* it. Very few things are going to break in a new
way that there isn't a known fix for.
I do expect that this while thing will be a giant noop.
Some people with old software/firmware or broken hardware may see
something, but without proper maintence I would expect that with anything.
Cars, Planes and Trains included.
- Jared
The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all?
I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6
when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.
What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is
that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.
Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes them
don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.
And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as a
ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle
IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.
How fun is that?
The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
You made the mistake of buying something that wasn't compliant with the following draft:
How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all?I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6
when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is
that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes them
don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.
Replacing CPE will come naturally with entropy over time combined with the early-adopters.
I know many people who would walk into the store today and buy a docsis 3 cable modem if cox/charter/twcable etc had ipv6 available.
And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as a
ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle
IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.
This is a whole other issue but getting better. I do want to see what Qwest (Centurylink?) plans on the consumer side as well as any form of an upgrade to the 2WIRE devices that AT&T is using. Looking at the other providers out there, it's interesting to watch the table growing daily. Somewhere around 10-20 new ASNs appear in the IPv6 table right now. (Weekends tend to show few if any adds).
2WIRE rant: These have a whole host of issues that seem to constantly cause problems. (I do like that if you send a SIP notify to devices behind them they sometimes reboot themselves and solve the problem due to their broken SIP-ALG that can't be disabled).
How fun is that?
The usual fun. We have had discussions with vendors about IPv6 support and capabilities and they are really interesting. Just ask about v6 lawful-intercept for compliance next time. Interesting days ahead, but all Is the bright future. The network is real now, even if you don't like the smell or color of IPv6.
- Jared
You are missing a big point here, most NL users for example cannot use
ipv6 tunnels because the isp's equipment doesn't allow them. When I
called my ISP (online.nl) for example to ask about it, they first had
something like: what the heck are you talking about. In fact, one of the
only major isp's in the netherlands actively supporting ipv6 for
customers is xs4all. On several other providers I had I am simply unable
to setup a tunnel. The provider itself is the one blocking proto 41. Not
me or my router, and surely not he.net.
Another issue is, as long as not many homeusers are aware of ipv6 (for
them it's just technical mumbo jumbo they don't care about, as long as
they get the webpages shown they wanna access it's fine for them).
So having said previous, maybe there should be a World IPv6 only week.
That would piss off users, make them complain at their isp, and maybe
THEN they finally wanna do some implementations.
Op 3-6-2011 9:44, Owen DeLong schreef:
It provides a handy space to comment at the bottom.
Perhaps people here would like to let M$ know that it would be preferable
to provide pointers to real workable IPv6 connectivity solutions
rather than
The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all?
irrelevant, nothing is going to break for you on june 8th. At some point you'll buy a new modem, maybe not soon.
Strange, we have 3 SixXS users who work at Zyxel and are actively
terminating their stuff on Zyxel equipment which btw has AICCU support.
Now, that model of a router might not be out yet, but it is coming, just
don't hold your breath, but it might be a software upgrade if you are lucky.
Greets,
Jeroen
s/mistake/decision/. There, fixed that for you.
I went out 3 years ago and bought a cablemodem and a router that are *also*
not IPv6 ready, because it made economic sense at the time (Got them on sale,
they had every *other* feature I needed, they were easier/cheaper to find at
Best Buy than IPv6-ready gear, Comcast has yet to deploy IPv6 in my area, and
they were cheap enough I don't mind forklift-upgrading them when IPv6 becomes
actually available here.). They'll probably get replaced within 48 hours of it
being *worth* replacing them.
But at the time, paying literally twice as much for a box that had a feature I was
not likely to be able to use before the box needed replacing *anyhow* didn't make
any economic sense.
Do they have any good reason to block proto 41?
Generic Homeusers never asked for IPv4 so they won't ask for IPv6. The time
will change many things from CPE to perspective as well. I'm not ready to
answer million calls on World IPv6 only week
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
You are missing a big point here, most NL users for example cannot use
ipv6 tunnels because the isp's equipment doesn't allow them.
Which is why Freenet6/Gogo6 has TSP and SixXS has AYIYA because
tunneling over UDP works fine, just like every other VPN product in the
market does (though most VPN products don't do IPv6 yet, it is coming).
Take a guess why these protocols exist 
When I
called my ISP (online.nl) for example to ask about it, they first had
something like: what the heck are you talking about.
That layer 1 personnel does not know about IPv6 just shows that the
company did not invest in IPv6 training yet. Their problem that they
need to resolve sooner or later and actually the bigger problem than
upgrading software or even hardware as those things just cycle out in a
few years time.
On several other providers I had I am simply unable
to setup a tunnel. The provider itself is the one blocking proto 41. Not
me or my router, and surely not he.net.
Let me guess, you are behind a NAT and expect protocol-41 to be
forwarded exactly where? Anyway, as stated above, just use TSP or AYIYA.
Having lived in The Netherlands for a long time and various other
places, I have never had a problem, even in hotels with broken setups,
to get IPv6 going. Heck it even works in most airports
Another issue is, as long as not many homeusers are aware of ipv6 (for
them it's just technical mumbo jumbo they don't care about, as long as
they get the webpages shown they wanna access it's fine for them).
So having said previous, maybe there should be a World IPv6 only week.
That would piss off users, make them complain at their isp, and maybe
THEN they finally wanna do some implementations.
"IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day, but take a guess
how many phone calls would go to ISPs then and how much money folks
would lose when that would be done.
Greets,
Jeroen
It was?
Tim
> "IPv6 only" was the original plan of World IPv6 Day
It was?
No. I think there is confusion with ipv6 hour that happens at ietf where
they turn off ipv4 for an hour on the conference wifi. Ipv6 day was never
about turning v4 off
Cb
No confusion there, there was an earlier plan to do an IPv6-only stint,
but that was withdrawn as it would have caused too much amok in the world.
Greets,
Jeroen
The problem is not all on Microsoft at this case.
For example; I've bought a ZyXEL P-2612HNU-F1(which has
802.11n Wireless ADSL 2+ 4-port gateway 2 SIP 2 USB 3G Backup)
in december 2010. It basiclly has everything in it.
OK...
How do I as a customer do to have a working IPv6 setup on this modem since
ZyXEL, basicilly, has decide that it will not support IPv6 at all?
You don't. However, that's not the issue. All you need to do is make sure
that your Micr0$0ft boxes don't think they have working IPv6 behind
your ZyXEL and you're fine for now.
Of course, if your home gateway vendor has decided that they will
absolutely not support IPv6, then, it's time to get a new home gateway.
I mean, you can not say it does not have the the cpu power for handling IPv6
when it can also act as a fileserver and a printserver for example.
True, but, it may not have the flash or RAM to handle the job.
What they (ZyXEL) are saying to me (for not haveing IPv6 at this moment) is
that they don't have the skills to implement IPv6 in their current products.
I would let them know that they are overdue for developing this skill
set and better get cracking if I were their customer.
Think about all the CPE that will not be upgraded, since those that makes them
don't care at all, even tough it probably has the cpu power to handle IPv6.
I think part of the point of W6D is to identify these and raise awareness among
the users of such devices that a vital upgrade is in their near future.
By just hotwiring past the IPv6 issues, Micr0$0ft is removing this opportunity.
And I haven't even started at the network equiment that exists between me as a
ISP and my customer (this equiment is out of my control), that can't handle
IPv6 even if my customer got an working CPE with IPv6.
That's what solutions like 6rd and 6in4 are intended for.
How fun is that?
There are many things that are fun in this industry. The next couple of
years are definitely going to be interesting.
Owen
As Owen is suggesting, if would have been helpful if Microsoft's Network
troubleshooting wizard in Windows Vista and 7 had an inkling about IPv6 and
would check IPv6 connectivity in the same way it checks IPv6 connectivity,
and work through things link 6to4 issues.
Frank
Have a ZyXEL VSG1432 right behind me where the IPv6 works pretty good
(http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE#DSL). All the DSL modem
vendors could stand improving their GUI.
Frank
FIrst I've heard of such a thing. The original organizers of W6D have zero
motivation to try such a thing and I can't imagine why they would even
consider it for more than a picosecond.
Owen