So read about Palladianism, and tell me the different between Palladium and Server 2000…
Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform…hello mighty SPARC
Gerardo Gregory
Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform......hello mighty SPARC
I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no difference what
you use at home, if that machine can't talk to the rest of the world.
Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can use any
resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light. Everybody has
that right. If I don't like it, I won't buy it. If they convince customers
that they gain more than they lose, only a gun will make them buy it. I don't
see Bill Gates packing heat any time soon.
*yawn*
Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully
proprietary software. Given the prevalent time horizon of average IT
manager's thinking I fully expect Microsoft to get that stuff deployed
before the poor saps start realizing they're being ripped. After that
Microsoft will leverage their market power to exclude any competition.
Exactly like they did it before on numerous occasions.
Their PR budget is bigger than GDP of some nations. They're ruthless and
show remarkable lack of respect to the notions of fairness or common good.
Be afraid.
--vadim
Microsoft already duped the software consumers into buying into fully
proprietary software.
I don't think duped is really a fair description. They simply provide a
large number of users with what they want. There isn't currently an
alternative.
Given the prevalent time horizon of average IT
manager's thinking I fully expect Microsoft to get that stuff deployed
before the poor saps start realizing they're being ripped. After that
Microsoft will leverage their market power to exclude any competition.
Exactly like they did it before on numerous occasions.
That's what everyone said about IBM, way back when. The reality is that you
can't hold the market unless you continue to provide people with what they
want.
Their PR budget is bigger than GDP of some nations. They're ruthless and
show remarkable lack of respect to the notions of fairness or common good.
Be afraid.
If they didn't show a lack of respect for the notion of the common good,
they should be sued. Their responsibility is to their shareholders. It's not
their job to protect your interests, it's yours.
Obviously, Microsoft is going to have a vision of the future that involves
Microsoft everything and their going to use all the resources at their
disposal to make that vision come to pass. You should expect nothing less of
them.
If your vision of the future of computing differs from theirs (and I'm sure
it does, I know mine does!) then you work to promote your vision.
Short of correcting any false factual assertions made in this thread, I'm
done with it. It has no operational content as far as I can tell. If you
think Microsoft can make IP go away and replace it with something more
secure, you're crazy. (Not that this would be a bad thing, I just wouldn't
want MS to design the replacement!)
DS
Well, I may be a wet blanket to the chip houses, but how much speed DO you actually need? Any REAL reason to abandon the present working architecture? I don’t personally think so, a 2 gig box is plenty fast for anything we have now, so why don’t we just vote with our feet? DON’T buy this crap, the CPU or the OS…and let them stew in their own misfortune. We made Intel back down on the PSN issue with exactly those tactics…
I’ll go back to my old SGI Indy if necessary…heh…
I agree wholeheartedly, "let 'em starve"....
I just hope the anti-trust people are looking into this....i can't see a bigger case for them to spring into action...
at Monday, August 12, 2002 2:17 AM, David Schwartz
<davids@webmaster.com> was seen to say:
Microsoft can have whatever vision of the future they want and can
use any resources at their disposal to bring their vision to light.
Everybody has that right.
Nope, monopolies don't - the rules for a monopoly are tighter for the
very good reason the customer *can't* go somewhere else, he has to
decide to buy from them or go without (and in a world where not
accepting MS-formatted documents can lock you out of contracts you need
to keep in business, the pressure to go with the crowd is very high
indeed.
There *is* a gun pointed at their head, but it is financial (and smoking
StarOffice to the rescue.
David Howe wrote:
Thus spake "Alif The Terrible" <measl@mfn.org>
>
> Guess my home P.C. will no longer be an intel platform......hello mighty
SPARC
I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no difference what
you use at home, if that machine can't talk to the rest of the world.
1. There will be CPU vendors that won't require Palladium-signed code
2. There will be OSes that won't require Palladium-signed code
3. There will be applications that won't require Palladium-signed code
4. There will be IETF protocols that won't require Palladium-signed code
5. The Net will not require Palladium-signed code
and most importantly:
6. This article is completely incorrect on how Palladium will work.
S
Alif wrote:
<snip>
I guess you didn't actually read this, did you? It makes no difference what
you use at home, if that machine can't talk to the rest of the world.
<end snip>
Ummm....yes I actually read it. I doubt that if Microsoft wants to
implement the Palladium (signatures, etc on software) everyone will follow
suit. There are many platforms that do not depended (or could care less) on
Microsoft (Intel, Alpha platforms only [OS]). Mac being the strongest (no
intel processor, and office for MAC doesnt count as an OS [although it does
for apps]) in the end-user (home) user market. Sun uses SPARC processors,
Cisco uses (mostly), etc.
Now as crude as this sounds Microsoft has no influence in the halls
beyond their direct partners and developers, etc.
The day Palladium is used by every (chip, OS, and Application) vendor is
the day my FreeBSD system has a Network Neighborhood icon and sends 1,000
NetBios Broadcasts every few minutes.
WINS will no longer needs to query DNS servers as WINS will be the only
"standard" throughout the internet. Because of this we will all run some
flavor of NetBios (Over TCP/IP, and for the Novell folks over SPX/IPX) or
NetBui.
Let's not forget, that as strong as Microsoft looks or pretends to be,
they did not build the NET (their wanna-be contributions or "replacements"
are at times very humorous or outright senseless).
The Bill Gates UTOPIA......NOT!
The day Palladium is used by every (chip, OS, and Application) vendor is
the day my FreeBSD system has a Network Neighborhood icon and sends 1,000
NetBios Broadcasts every few minutes.
I believe you can enable this feature with a free download...
WINS will no longer needs to query DNS servers as WINS will be the only
"standard" throughout the internet. Because of this we will all run some
flavor of NetBios (Over TCP/IP, and for the Novell folks over SPX/IPX) or
NetBui.
You can get around WINS if you enable forwarding of undirected broadcasts to all
interfaces btw
Steve
at Monday, August 12, 2002 2:41 PM, William Warren
<hescominsoon@adelphia.net> was seen to say:
StarOffice to the rescue.
Requires interoperability to be possible - if M$oft protects their file
formats legally (via the DMCA) or technically (via Palladium only
allowing "trusted" MS apps to access the documents) then there is little
you can do and stay inside the quite draconian laws the americans seem
to want for this sort of thing (and which to our shame the europeans
seem to be trying to match)
Bush just hired the former Microsoft head of security to be his "go-to" man for creating an infrastructure to protect the security of US computer assets.
Do you really think that they will ever again lift a hand against Microsoft? They only participated in the anti-trust action brought by the Clinton white house because they had no choice -- their pulling out of the case would have been far worse than continuing to a settlement that resulted in less than a wrist-slap.
And it didn't even take Billy-boy a billion to buy the US gov't.
Only until they change the file format again. Microsoft can afford to change the file format on an even daily basis, and come out with patches for the previous patches, and call them all "security patches" so that everyone is either forced to apply them or dump Microsoft altogether.
Open source projects can't possibly afford to keep up, if Microsoft decides to go down this road.
<SNIP>
Bush just hired the former Microsoft head of security to be his
"go-to" man for creating an infrastructure to protect the security of
US computer assets.
<END SNIP>
Now that scares me...knowing Microsoft's reputation in the Security
Industry. I heard the new moto is over one billion vulnerabilities served.
Gerardo
Brad Knowles(brad.knowles@skynet.be)@2002.08.12 22:47:31 +0000:
> StarOffice to the rescue.
Only until they change the file format again. Microsoft can
afford to change the file format on an even daily basis, and come out
with patches for the previous patches, and call them all "security
patches" so that everyone is either forced to apply them or dump
Microsoft altogether.Open source projects can't possibly afford to keep up, if
Microsoft decides to go down this road.
opensource projects need to converge efforts in designing new data
formats, file formats being just a serialized representation of data in
mem. being fully portable between several (OSS) applications will bring
the giant to its knees. of course, all of you know that, and this is not
operational content, i'm silent again 
regards,
/k
Well, I contend open source is much better positioned to make these changes, and in less time than M$ to the offending file format....I've seen changes made available in hours as opposed to weeks in the M$ case. If M$ decides to do this, they risk pi$$ing off a whole cadre of corporate customers who are slow to upgrade anyway.