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Hello,

Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?

My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.

Thanks

Best Regards,

Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular
attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic
which I miss?

Regards,
Daniel

I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people
read this list.

Best Regards,

Try the folks at inria.fr.

They seem to be the most involved in the French MultiCast efforts(Mbone)

JC

## On 2002-12-28 01:39 +0100 Daniel Roesen typed:

Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular
attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic
which I miss?

Seems your network(cluenet.de) finds sending traffic that way attractive

Otherwise why does traffic from Israel(via Italy) to your website
in Germany go via C&W in the USA ?

Hi Nicolas

It seems you have an IPv6 tunnel to SWITCH -
AFAIK they should be getting an MBONE feed via GEANT

Why not ask them(since you seem to already have a working arrangement)?

Alternatively try Renater (the French NRN) who is also downstream from GEANT

RIPE Mbone working group: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/mbone/index.html

has a mailing list: http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/mbone-eu-op

Regards,
Daniel

You mix up two things. A technical discussion (what the thread is about)
and a commercial/policy/politics discussion (that's what you're trying to
make up here... or are you just baiting?).

Then again, you also mix up direction of traffic. Traceroute from here
to you doesn't go via the US:

traceroute to 128.139.216.1 (128.139.216.1): 1-30 hops, 38 byte packets
1 fe5-1-r10-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.181.1) 0.685/0.997/1.27 (0.240) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
2 ge9-0-bb1-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.20) 0.434/0.616/0.760 (0.135) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
3 ge-0-1-0-arj2-MUC1.de.cw.net (62.208.225.16) 0.528/0.694/0.811 (0.120) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
4 zcr1-ge-4-1-0.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.21) 0.514/0.680/0.803 (0.121) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
5 zcr2-ge-4-3-0-5.Munich.cw.net (208.175.230.254) 7.94/7.99/8.01 (0.031) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
6 bcr2-so-3-0-0.Frankfurt.cw.net (166.63.193.209) 7.68/7.85/7.95 (0.120) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
7 bcr1.Paris.cw.net (208.172.250.61) 16.6/16.6/16.6 (0.021) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
8 cable-and-wireless-peering.Paris.cw.net (208.172.251.182) 16.5/16.5/16.6 (0.051) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
9 prs-bb1-pos0-3-0.telia.net (213.248.70.1) 16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.106) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
10 ffm-bb1-pos2-1-0.telia.net (213.248.64.190) 16.6/16.7/16.8 (0.083) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
11 ffm-new-b2-pos2-1.telia.net (213.248.64.174) 16.7/16.8/17.0 (0.118) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
12 dante-01232-ffm-new-b2.c.telia.net (213.248.77.90) 107/107/107 (0.027) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
13 de1-1.de2.de.geant.net (62.40.96.130) 107/107/107 (0.038) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
14 de.it1.it.geant.net (62.40.96.62) 116/116/117 (0.424) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
15 it.il1.il.geant.net (62.40.96.153) 168/168/168 (0.092) ms 3/3 pkts (0% loss)
16 62.40.103.226 (62.40.103.226) * * 169/169/169 (0.000) ms 1/3 pkts (67% loss)

Not perfect (Frankfurt->Paris->Frankfurt), but stays in EU (before going
to .il).

So you should probably discuss your route to me with your uplink if
you're unhappy with the path it takes.

Please follow up via private mail if you really desire, but keep this debate
off NANOG, thanks.

Regards,
Daniel

Dear Nicolas;

1.) We can do it, but we will charge for it.
2.) Better lists for such discussion are

IPMulticast from ServiceNetworks.com (for commercial issues)
http://www.servicenetworks.com/SNEditorial/forums.asp#IPMulticast

MBoned (for deployment issues).
majordomo@ns.uoregon.edu

3.) You should try and get native multicast instead of a tunnel. For either, in France you might try

noos.fr
francetelecom.fr
Renater.fr
inria.fr

All of which have multicast peering set up.

Naino offers commercial multicast service in France (see
http://www.multicast-isp-list.com )

                 + Naino SA
                   Sales Office
                   21, rue Bargue
                   75015 Paris
                   France
                 + Tel: +33 1 56 58 01 14
                 + Fax: +33 1 43 33 52 67
           + info@naino.net

And, finally, there are in France the usual big players who will give you multicast if you have a connection to them, such as Sprint.

                                  Regards
                                  Marshall Eubanks

Who can provide me an IPv4 multicast tunnel with a mbgp session ?

My multicast router is located at Paris, FR.

Why don't you ask on your own continent? Is there any particular
attractive idea behind sending traffic unnecessarily over the Atlantic
which I miss?

I don't find better list for my question and a lot of european people
read this list.

Best Regards,

--
Nicolas DEFFAYET, NDSoftware
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