Just got on this thing (perhaps very belatedly) - root server trouble?


What do you think happens to the nameservers on the net when they're asked
for a domain that doesn't have functional servers, and they sit and churn
trying to resolve the names?

BTW, churn is the right word. Its taking anywhere from 5-10 *seconds* to
come back as NXDOMAIN on each request for those that fail to resolve, and
this is from the IANA roots.

This IS a functional problem - and worse, all those non-existant zones and
the VM churn they generate on the COM TLD servers is probably the REASON
that we're looking at this kind of horrid performance!

Churn shmurn. Those domains are probably ones that have been paid for (to
the InterNIC), but aren't yet being used. Who's accessing those unused
domains and doing all this needless churning? We should find 'em and
string 'em up.

Seems like most of the churning would be caused by spammers and testers
like yourself.

I'd be interested in seeing actual machine statistics on how much
performance degredation can be attributed to lack of responses. Without
those statistics, I can't see how the InterNIC fees aren't covering this

As was mentioned before, you shouldn't have to pay an ISP to have a domain
name reserved.

Chris Russo

In <v02140b1daf2ff1f4b577@[]>,

As was mentioned before, you shouldn't have to pay an ISP to have a domain
name reserved.

Yes, you should. Currently, to register a domain, both with the InterNIC
and the AlterNUTS, you need to specify at least two nameservers to
serve DNS data for your domain. If you list an ISP's nameservers on
your domain registration, you sure as hell should pay that ISP.

You can take this issue the other way, and say that the InterNIC shouldn't
require two nameservers on the initial registration, but I think that's
a bad idea. The two-nameserver requirement raises at least a minimum
bar that rampant domain-grabbers have to jump.

This has nothing at all to do with NANOG. I've set Reply-To: to
rs-talk@internic.net, the InterNIC's list for discussing registry

As was mentioned before, you shouldn't have to pay an ISP to have a domain
name reserved.

I don't see why "having a domain name reserved" need be the same thing
as "having NS records in the root nameservers". Why not just allow
registrations that reserve a domain administratively and simply have
it not exist in the DNS?

And you shouldn't have to pay for phone service to have a phone number


Then maybe NSI should have a policy for reserving domains without making
them "live", much like they do with the on-hold domains.

But for the time being, since you must have 2 nameservers listed to apply
for a domain, you're going to need someone to provide that nameservice for
you. Just like if you're going to reserve an 800 or 888 number, you need a
long distance company to service it, even if it is routing that number to a
disconnect recording.