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Ok, I am really getting sick of hearing, I am connected to 'the
Internet Backbone' We are connected to the Internet Backbone so we are
better than X and Y put together.

  I guess this is what happens when you get back from Interop and
here all these people, uh they start with USWEST in their name, tell me
and everyone else, We are connected to The Internet Backbone.

  So please someon,e please tell me I am correct in saying to all
these not so bright people that there really is not an 'Internet Backbone'
that USWest, SISNA (who now claims to be the 3rd largest ISP/NSP and still
have only a T1 to MCI, and claim that is a DS3) and all these other
people who think that they are connected to the internet back bone.

  For all that matters, I guess I can say that I am
the internet Backbone because it is at my house and you all connect to me
via my 28.8 modem.

  Oh, and for anyone is Scottsdale (sp?) AZ, go to your local
Chamber. I saw them talking with a company that I can't name but probally
does local phone serverice in Scottsdale, because they want a web page,
connections for all their members, etc. etc. They were pretty high up.

  Well, thanks for all your help. because I wanna be an isp :slight_smile: Now
where did I put that Lart.

Christian Nielsen
Vyzynz International Inc. cnielsen@vii.com,CN46,KB7HAP
Phone 801-568-0999 Fax 801-568-0953
Private Email - Christian@Nielsen.Net BOFH - cnielsen@one.dot PS :slight_smile:

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So please someon,e please tell me I am correct in saying to all these
not so bright people that there really is not an 'Internet Backbone'
that USWest, SISNA (who now claims to be the 3rd largest ISP/NSP and
still have only a T1 to MCI, and claim that is a DS3) and all these
other people who think that they are connected to the internet back
bone.

Hang on one second, Christian. SISNA, as well as a couple of your very
close neighbors, all subscribe to the odd end of that same DS3 and ALL
call it THEIRS and THEIRS ALONE!! Some blithering idiots call it fiber.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but GW only has that DS3 cranked out to
about 18Mb, right?

When in doubt traceroute.

To answer the question without being a bitter sod because I'm just as
pissed at these arrogant #%@&ers for lying through their teeth (isn't that
what business is about?), used to be (way back when glass was sand and
Ethernet was king), the term "backbone" implied you were connected to at
least one of the major IXes AND HAD FULL PEERING. This technicality was a
verifyable way of saying that ALL your traffic went the shortest route
possible to its destination, REGARDLESS if you were a customer or not,
because NOBODY filtered you out.

These days, the BYU marketing twits have it stuck in slo-mo that
"backbone" means MCI, Sprint, AnyoneElse Inc or BestISP-USA, and you know
what the sad part is? People eat it up. You have no idea what we go
through trying to educate people that NAP connections PLUS NSP connections
equals better reliability than a T-1 through SmallAdISP who's connected to
someone recently termed "backbone" by Idiots On The Web Magazine (April
issue, page 3248).

I'm with ya 100% However, the realist inside remembers people local to
you and me with big stinky mouths that are still in business Nationwide
for some stupid reason, and that makes me realize that people like that
will never go away. The silver lining is that customers will eventually
realize what "good" really is, and that's when it'll be time to put up or
shut up.

Biting dogs on this side, barking dogs on that side.

Carl

Cogito Ergo Amicrosoft
And, BTW, dear reader, don't CC me and the bloody list / group too!

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[...]
that USWest, SISNA (who now claims to be the 3rd largest ISP/NSP and still
have only a T1 to MCI, and claim that is a DS3) and all these other
people who think that they are connected to the internet back bone.
[...]

In Farmington, New Mexico, SISNA uses compressing DSU's on each side of
their 56K line to their main office. They claim their 56K line is a
"T1-speed" line.

Being in local competition with them, that bugs me more than the "250MB"
tape drives that are only 120MB!

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And all the sites here in Utah, as Salt lake is the Main Link,
they use 56k links and MUX and De-MUX all the 28.8 modems, which gives
them no TCP/IP accross the link, no resending of lost packets, and than
they say they can put 50 dial-ups on that line... Oh well.

Christian Nielsen
Vyzynz International Inc. cnielsen@vii.com,CN46,KB7HAP
Phone 801-568-0999 Fax 801-568-0953
Private Email - Christian@Nielsen.Net BOFH - cnielsen@one.dot PS :slight_smile:

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  And all the sites here in Utah, as Salt lake is the Main Link,
they use 56k links and MUX and De-MUX all the 28.8 modems, which gives
them no TCP/IP accross the link, no resending of lost packets, and than
they say they can put 50 dial-ups on that line... Oh well.

I'm not sure if they are MUXing and DeMUXing here, but they do have
18 modems on one 56K line. I wonder where they learned their arithmetic?