.iq [ was: Re: Paul Vixie serving ORSN ]

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it's enough for me that they're going to do it no matter what you (or i) say,
and that they're doing it responsibly (without any namespace pollution). if
ORSN is afraid war is going to break out somewhere and that ICANN might delete
the ccTLD's for countries that are part of the "axis of evil", then ORSN is
probably just confused -- i don't think that's what would happen. but as i've
said, i'm indifferent to their reasons, since they only publish data that was
at one time or another published by IANA.

I suppose I should mention that ICANN redelegated .iq for some mumble
reason, compare, .pn.

For those who care about excesses of zeal, the Elashi brothers (operators
as well as sponsor delagees of .iq) of someplace in Texas, were charged with
giving money to Hamas or a charity linked to Hamas, and sending a PC to Syria,
and parts of a PC -- perhaps a mouse pad -- to Libya.

The latter acts nominally violate export regulations intended to prevent the
acquisition of supercomputers by several states for the purposes of preventing
nuclear proliferation, and the government obtained a conviction on the Syrian
export count. Export control violations universally result in fines, except
in the case of the Elashi brothers, who are still in Federal custody.

People who live in Damascus routinely drive to Beruit to buy computers, so
the rationality of all this is an exercise left to the reader.

It did result in the seizure of the .iq name servers, and has kept .iq dark
for three years.

No part of this was necessary, or could not have been solved by a trustee
pending the eventual outcome of the USG's complaints, and the possible
counter-complaints by the Elashis.

The US has not yet, after three years, brought the giving money to Hamas
issue to trial.

Not that it matters, but Hamas is the government of parts of Palestine,
no matter how much heartburn this gives some people, and the Elashis are
diaspora Palestinians.

Eric

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...whereas post-redelegation, .iq is administered by the Iraqi
communications ministry from Bhagdad, rather than by Palestinians from
Texas. Seems like a clear improvement to me.

                                -Bill

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http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txn/PressRel04/Elashi.pdf

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Not that it matters, but Hamas is the government of parts of Palestine,
no matter how much heartburn this gives some people, and the Elashis are diaspora Palestinians.

And they did violate US laws in the US.

Ah well, maybe they will get deported when they get released from prison, just like their wives.

sam

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Current Iraq government exists because there is substantial US military
presence in the country. Lets assume that at some future point US gets
tired in spending billions on dollars on such operation and that some
time later on the Iraq government is overthrown and fled the country
(taking dns servers for .iq TLD along with them) and establishes "government in exile" headquartered in Texas :slight_smile: The new Iraq government after period of civil war then requests redeligation of .iq domain from IANA. What actions will they take if US still recognizes old government?

BTW - Also think about what makes current Iraq government legitimate as
opposed to say representative of the old one (which lucky for US did
not establish official government in exile after start of occupation).

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It all comes down to pretending a PC is a supercomputer,

An ordinary PC, by today's standards average, is defined by US law as
a supercomputer, legally a munition ("weapon of war"). Wether you
yourself believe the object defined by the pouplar term "supercomputer"
is required to habitate a substantially larger space, or substantially
larger number of computrons is irrelevant.

There is no pretense here, just that I suspect you misunderstand that
the term 'supercomputer' is being used as a legal term, not the common
term you use in casual language.

pretending that
ordinary Syrians, let alone nuclear weapons proliferating Syrians, didn't,
in this period, routinely drive from Damascus to Beruit,

That you might be able to buy a cannister of napalm from the grocery
store in [Insert random location], doesn't mean the US has to hold all
exports of napalm into that location as immune from export controls.

Again, there is no pretense here, and there is no need for it.

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I would like to thank Eric for agreeing so violently with me:

We have now established that no "pretense" is required for a conviction.

I suggest we move the remainder of this discussion, "What is the law and
how can you avoid being prosecuted for funneling 'munitions' to Iraq?",
to the North American Shipping Clerks Group mailing lists.

If such a group exists.

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...whereas post-redelegation, .iq is administered by the Iraqi
  communications ministry from Bhagdad, rather than by Palestinians from
  Texas. Seems like a clear improvement to me.
  
                                  -Bill
That's great. So now {bechtel, halliburton, eds, ...} gets paid to
hijack it. Glad we're making progress in the "liberation" of the
cctld.

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              of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke