Two years ago I posed the question here about the need for TLDs
(http://www.mcabee.org/lists/nanog/May-06/msg00110.html).
I summerizsed that companies IP (Intellectual Property) guidelines
would never allow domain.org to exist if they owned domain.com
(ibm.org vrs ibm.com). I felt that TLDs really represented a
monetary harvesting scheme as every new TLD forced companies to "pay
for yet another domain name" (slowly milking businesses). At that
time several knowledgeable folks commented that TLDs were necessary
in the beginning due to the need to distribute queries. Now it
seems, ICANN has decided to add a new paradigm 
How will a TLD
like .ibm be handled now, and how is this different than what I
proposed in 2006?
-Jim P.
Could someone point me to a reference (other than a very poorly written
BBC article) that suggests that .ibm is even a valid possiblity in
light of whatever ICANN actually *is* proposing?
And no, companies *aren't* "forced to pay for another domain name" just
because a new TLD appears -- they aren't doing it *now*, by and large,
and thank ghod: a) it doesn't constitute a violation of Ford Motor's
trademark that the Ford Foundation has ford.org or a Mustang club has
ford.net and b) it's horrible DNS hygiene to do that in the first
place; it re-flattens the TLD namespace. I certainly advise my clients
not to do things that foolish. I'm sure Randy encourages me in this.
Cheers,
-- jra
Two years ago I posed the question here about the need for TLDs
(http://www.mcabee.org/lists/nanog/May-06/msg00110.html).
I summerizsed that companies IP (Intellectual Property) guidelines
would never allow domain.org to exist if they owned domain.com
(ibm.org vrs ibm.com). I felt that TLDs really represented a
monetary harvesting scheme as every new TLD forced companies to "pay
for yet another domain name" (slowly milking businesses). At that
time several knowledgeable folks commented that TLDs were necessary
in the beginning due to the need to distribute queries. Now it
seems, ICANN has decided to add a new paradigm 
How will a TLD
like .ibm be handled now, and how is this different than what I
proposed in 2006?
How will ICANN be allocating these? An auction format? It will be a blood bath otherwise.. And for abuse and spam, this is a nightmare.
I hear from my friend's attending ICANN in Paris that there are tons of business folks who want to scoop up a gTLD. I haven't heard of anything that will be structured so looks like it will be a blood bath.
Zaid
David Conrad wrote:
How will ICANN be allocating these?
https://par.icann.org/files/paris/GNSO-gTLD-Update-Paris22jun08.pdf
and
and
http://www.circleid.com/posts/86269_icann_approves_overhaul_top_level_domains/#4133
and well the rest of CircleID.
Some people are going to get very rich over this. I hope that they drown in the money just as the Internet will drown in all the crap TLD's, not even thinking of all the nice security issues which come along (home, mycomputer and .exe etc anyone ? And of course the people who like to grab typos will also have a field day with this.
Thank you people doing all the ICANN politics for destroying the Internet.
Greets,
Jeroen
</lurk>
Thank you people doing all the ICANN politics for destroying the Internet.
You know, last time someone ( Robert Metcalfe <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Metcalfe>\) prophesied the death of the Internet, when it didn't
come true... we made him eat his words. You up for a repeat ?
Greets,
Jeroen
<lurk>
And no, companies *aren't* "forced to pay for another domain name" just
because a new TLD appears -- they aren't doing it *now*, by and large,
and thank ghod:
The last time I looked there were a few thousand companies protecting their intellectual property by using companies like Mark Monitor to insure that they had defensive registrations in all ccTLD's possible.
-M<
Whether some choose to do that or not, I believe that the point is that:
1. Nobody is FORCING them to do so.
2. Most are _NOT_ doing so.
3. It is somewhat anti-social to do so, but, that has rarely been a
constraint on corporate greed, especially amongst the Intelectual
Property crowd.
Owen
Has anyone been able to figure out what it will cost to secure a completely un-contested tld? I haven't been able to find proposed fees anywhere. I think it will be a practical necessity for all organizations to secure their own TLD at the outset, lest someone else secure it for them and leave it up to the court of arbitration.
.. And where, pray-tell, will the mega cash from the TLD auctions be going? Surely ICANN doesn't need a multi-billion $ annual budget, but if these TLD auctions go the way of the cellular auctions, there's a good potential for that kind of an outcome.
3. It is somewhat anti-social to do so, but, that has rarely been a
constraint on corporate greed, especially amongst the Intelectual
Property crowd.
It doesn't seem to me to be "anti-social" behavior to ensure when your
customers mistype your domain as a .net or .de (depending on the customer's
locale) that they still end up at your site. Definitely, wouldn't ascribe it
as corporate greed.
-J
Hello;
Has anyone been able to figure out what it will cost to secure a completely un-contested tld? I haven't been able to find proposed fees anywhere. I think it will be a practical necessity for all organizations to secure their own TLD at the outset, lest someone else secure it for them and leave it up to the court of arbitration.
.. And where, pray-tell, will the mega cash from the TLD auctions be going? Surely ICANN doesn't need a multi-billion $ annual budget, but if these TLD auctions go the way of the cellular auctions, there's a good potential for that kind of an outcome.
This gives an (unofficial) estimate :
<.confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora’s Box of new TLDs | Ars Technica >
.confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs
By Jacqui Cheng | Published: June 26, 2008 - 12:11PM CT
<snip>
Not every zany TLD will be immediately available to anyone who want to register a domain, however. Businesses must apply to register the TLD first, then go through a review process to ensure that it isn't offensive and doesn't infringe on anyone's intellectual property. If approved, registering the TLD will cost anywhere from $100,000 to $500,000, ICANN says, and the business or organization must prove that they are either capable of managing the TLD or can reach a deal with a company that will. This is no small beans—unless you're planning to fork over up to half a million dollars and put in the labor to manage everything that appears under the TLD, this task is probably best left to large organizations and governmental entities. The organization registering the TLD will also be responsible for determining whether it will be restricted to certain types of sites or open to the public.
<snip>
Regards
Marshall
Owen DeLong wrote:
Whether some choose to do that or not, I believe that the point is that:
1. Nobody is FORCING them to do so.
2. Most are _NOT_ doing so.
3. It is somewhat anti-social to do so, but, that has rarely been a
constraint on corporate greed, especially amongst the Intelectual
Property crowd.
Owen
On that note, it will be very interesting to see who manages to register the *.sucks TLD, and what they do with it.
This gives an (unofficial) estimate :
<.confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora’s Box of new TLDs | Ars Technica;
.confusion: ICANN opens up Pandora's Box of new TLDs
By Jacqui Cheng | Published: June 26, 2008 - 12:11PM CT
<snip>
Not every zany TLD will be immediately available to anyone who want to register a domain, however. Businesses must apply to register the TLD first, then go through a review process to ensure that it isn't offensive and doesn't infringe on anyone's intellectual property. If approved, registering the TLD will cost anywhere from $100,000 to $500,000, ICANN says, and the business or organization must prove that they are either capable of managing the TLD or can reach a deal with a company that will. This is no small beans—unless you're planning to fork over up to half a million dollars and put in the labor to manage everything that appears under the TLD, this task is probably best left to large organizations and governmental entities. The organization registering the TLD will also be responsible for determining whether it will be restricted to certain types of sites or open to the public.
<snip>
Thanks for the info. Okay, well that kind of pricing will prevent most of the fraudsters from obtaining TLDs. But of course it doesn't prevent shady operators from setting up a TLD with lenient abuse controls - such as .info or .to. Imagine 40 .infos spamming away...
What I wonder is what that amount is going to ? Is that a fee, or is it
an estimate of what it would take to set up a registrar ?
If it is the latter, GoDaddy or Network Solutions may start offering TLDs for a lot less. I don't see much
of an intrinsic reason why it should be more than 1 hour of person time to evaluate, thus a cost in the $ 100's
of USDs, plus ongoing registry costs. This
https://par.icann.org/files/paris/GNSO-gTLD-Update-Paris22jun08.pdf
makes it look like much of the process could be automated.
Regards
Marshall
On that note, it will be very interesting to see who manages to register the *.sucks TLD, and what they do with it.
Oooh -- dibs on that one. And .some, so you can register awe.some, trouble.some, and fear.some. And .ous, which would allow humm.ous, seri.ous, fabul.ous, etc..
Oh - vomit - this is gonna hurt.
Regards,
Ken
I see an auction on that one.
Marshall
Followed by .bites
And .rules and .rules
And so the DNS descends into anarchy, and search engines become more
empowered.
Cacophony merely empowers those who control the amp.
You are welcome to ascribe it to whatever you want. I will note that
very few Non-profit organizations engage in such behavior. Very
few governments do so, either. In fact, absent a corporate profit
motive, this behavior seems very rare.
It is my considered opinion that turning control of the Domain Name
system over to WIPO and allowing them to decide that domains
and trademarks had common namespace to ill-defined levels of
degree with different categorical mappings that also had undefined
translations was one of the biggest mistakes in internet history.
Owen
Once upon a time, Ken Simpson <ksimpson@mailchannels.com> said:
Oooh -- dibs on that one. And .some, so you can register awe.some,
trouble.some, and fear.some. And .ous, which would allow humm.ous,
seri.ous, fabul.ous, etc..
Somebody on /. mentioned .dot, so you could tell someone to go to:
eych tee tee pee colon slash slash slash dot dot dot