The balkanizing of the Net?
Cheers,
- jra
In article <ee045d19-797d-4346-8793-b854e528f813@email.android.com> you write:
The balkanizing of the Net?
I expect we'll hear lots of pontification, quietly fading away when
someone explains to the pontificators just how expensive it would be
to do what they want, and ask where the money is coming from.
It would be swell if Brazil routed its Internet traffic somewhere
other than Miami, for purely technical reasons of resilience and
shorter routes. But that would require a cable to other places
(Africa and Europe.) They can do that any time, so long as they pay
for it.
I can't be the only one to have been following this 12.8TB of neat-o-ness:
-Jim P.
I wince for the copy-editor that missed the typo
in this headline:
http://www.bricscable.com/blog/brics-scale-black-plan-to-challenge-west/
Matt
Yeah. I reported that to them over the Summer... hopefully their cable
laying crew is more attentive to detail. 
-Jim P.
Saying that advocating for an open and global Internet is a nog part of USG's cyber-espionage efforts is completely preposterous.
-Jorge
I'm afraid I can't glark 'nog' in that sentence from context...
LOL, I was typing on an iPad and didn't notice, s/nog/big/
Thanks for the catch.
-J
a message of 8 lines which said:
The balkanizing of the Net?
So, to host your content in the servers of NSA providers is freedom
and hosting it anywhere else is balkanizing the Internet?
I've never seen a byte claiming any nationality, Internet network topology is not geopolitical (at least a vast percentage of it) and routing policy != politics. When now in a "cloud" world your data may get replicated anywhere, trying to create "islands" (which btw are not immune to eavesdropping) only limits the access and level of service to end users.
The NSA issue (which is not just the NSA or the USG) is a political problem, given the mandate and the funds, any agency in the world will try to sniff data wherever it is located, and sometimes it does not require too much technology or investment, often the weakest link is a badly paid technician or corrupt enough government official, anywhere.
My .02
-Jorge
" 34 000 km, 2 fibre pair, 12.8 Tbit/s"
so.... you can get 80 waves on a single pair, 80 100g waves? that's 8tbps
where's the missing 6 in the above? Did the other pair only get 40g
waves? that seems short sighted 
The remaining bandwidth is obviously for network management polling. lol 
-Jim P.
John Levine wrote:
I expect we'll hear lots of pontification, quietly fading away when
someone explains to the pontificators just how expensive it would be
to do what they want, and ask where the money is coming from.
For countries other than US, mandating domestic servers prevents
money going away to US through US based companies.
It is expensive only for those having foreign servers, which
nullifies advantages of global service companies over domestic
ones.
Masataka Ohta
This is not 100% true, the economics of hosting and providing layer 7
services are not longer strictly defined by geographic boundaries, also
some local companies (global or not) provide services locally regardless of
the location (or multiple locations) of the servers.
There is no field on the IP packet header to indicate to which political
mandate the packet belongs.
-Jorge
Jorge Amodio wrote:
There is no field on the IP packet header to indicate to which
political mandate the packet belongs.
If a service provider violates some local regulation, the
provider will be punished, which is the political
mandate.
That is, the service provider should better observe related
local regulations as long as they want to have business
at the locale.
Masataka Ohta
That is correct (not everywhere) but it has no direct relationship with the economics plus violating local or international laws is way above layer 7
Also there is no uniform and universal standard that defines what is or is not a violation.
-Jorge
Just wanted to add something to the discussion:
http://www.renesys.com/2013/10/google-dns-departs-brazil-ahead-new-law/
Basically, they are claiming possible new laws in Brazil have left Google to
shut down DNS services locally.
Dramatic Theater? Google is doing the same thing in Australia
(servers in Sydney, results returned from Taipei). Their actions,
and the timing thereof, in Brazil are fodder for those that believe
Google and the USG are locked together at the hip.
-Jim P.
Casual comment:
This scheme, have a problem.
USA is friend of country A,and country B. A is spying on B, and share the
results with USA. B is spying on A and share the results with USA.
A and B can make a network, but will be all but private.
My favorite is "12.8tbps Capacityz" on the second slide.