Several weeks old info. I am suprised that ICANN and or RIPE haven't made
the operational announcement to the NANOG or other lists.
Not to invite a flamewar or anything, but it's not really
an operational issue until some operator tries to route
whatever they are allocated by the IRRs (RIPE, ARIN, APNIC).
None of the IRRs (or ICANN) can really make ANY promise
whatsoever that their allocations are globally routable.
(This will be particularly true of ever-longer prefixes
as they are allocated by various IRRs. IOW, who cares
if the IRRs hand out /32s or /128s - just so long as
people understand that the odds of global reachability in
both steady state and during convergence [*] decrease
roughly proportionally to the length of the prefix).
So, this could well have been the first time an operator
has found an operational issue with 80/8 that is relevant
to the NANOG audience. 
Thanks for posting it to NANOG
You're very welcome - hey, first public-act-of-smd in many days.
Sean.
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Sean Doran <smd@use.net> / <smd@ebone.net>
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[*] http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-210.html
While I could agree that its not a problem till someone tries to use it,
I point out that ARIN does make an announcement when they are going
to start issuing from a new IANA block.
We, The Net Operators, should have this information so that we can update
our filters, should we see fit to, and thus cause as little negative impact
as possible.
Several of the sample filters I have seen just drop anything that is currently
NOT in the IRR space, otherwords the IANA reserved spaces, like 80/8
While I could agree that its not a problem till someone tries to use it,
I point out that ARIN does make an announcement when they are going
to start issuing from a new IANA block.
And I'll counter-point out that ARIN is notifying relevant groups in its
Region. Why would you expect the RIPE NCC to formally notify a group
(nanog) that is not in its region (Europe) ?
To keep this operational, this lists the various /8s and who is
(nominally) in charge of 'em; it may be of interest to people who haven't
reviewed their filters in ages:
IANA IPv4 Address Space Registry
We, The Net Operators, should have this information so that we can update
our filters, should we see fit to, and thus cause as little negative impact
as possible.
s/The Net/The North American Network/
s/possible/possible to traffic that transists North America/
TBH, a new /7 or /8, whatever, going in to production anywhere on the planet should be announced to the regional operators lists (NANOG, APOPS, EOF and AfNOG). Hopefully the registry folks can add that little chore to the long list of other things they have to think of...
Or maybe IANA could widen the announcement next time? This was the original from John:
>From: "John Crain" <crain@icann.org>
>To: <routing-wg@ripe.net>, <lir@ripe.net>
>Subject: 80/8 and 81/8 allocated to the RIPE NCC
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:47:21 -0700
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>FYI:
>
>This is just a quick heads up, my apologies if you recieve duplicate copies.
>
>IANA has recently allocated the following address ranges to the RIPE NCC
>Regional Internet Registry.
>
>80.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
>
>These will start to be allocated to ISPs shortly.
>
>You may wish to adjust any filters you have in place accordingly.
>
>John Crain
>ICANN
philip
And I'll counter-point out that ARIN is notifying relevant groups in its
Region. Why would you expect the RIPE NCC to formally notify a group
(nanog) that is not in its region (Europe) ?
no reason at all. after all, why would europeans want north americans to
relax our filters so that routability to europe was maintained?
randy
I can't for the life of me find anything on the web about RIPE recieving
or allocating from 80/7 ... google has failed me. Can someone in RIPEland
let some of us north americans know where announcements of new RIPE
allocations are made? I'll happily forward any email notification to
NANOG, as I'm sure many others would, but where does the initial
announcement get sent? I'm sure many of us would like to update our
prefix filters in a timely fashion.
Cheers.
-travis
Hi Philip, folks,
I did actually send this to NANOG, unfortuantely I didn't realise I wasn't
on the nanog-post list:( Really should read the wevbsite when I sign up
for these things.
For that stupidity my apologies.
If anyone has other suggestions besides the ripe lists and nanog of where
we should post such updates please let me know off list <crain@icann.org>.
Despite all the rhetoric about ICANN being a secret and evil club this is
one bit of info we really meant to get out there. (Honest:)
John