Now, we are only in progress. You are welcome to join the process to help
fix GateD or you are welcome to continue complaining.
I will happily help if the effort, but only if I know my work will
not be stolen and used for the purposes of building a revenue earning
company for MERIT or any other organisation.
Once I thought the GPL a virus and evil, but with the recent
profiliation of previously free software becoming hijacked and
used for profit *and still claiming to be the definitive source
for the software* is getting tiresome. gated and X11 are two
examples of this. What next ? How muuch of >your< code is
being sold by others claiming to own it ?
I might just help the zebra project instead - since it is guarenteed
(by GPL) not to disappear into the $$$ clutching hands of some
beaurocrat.
Merit provides 2 different routing demons - GateD and MRT for
public consumption. Both have BGP. If you don't like GateD and
don't want to fix it, perhaps you'd like MRT.
No you don't - you sell at least one of those.
I think we should now disappear, since this is NANOG and this thread
is not quite an operational issue. Yet.
Regards,
peter@wonderland.org (Peter Galbavy) writes:
Once I thought the GPL a virus and evil, but with the recent
profiliation of previously free software becoming hijacked and
used for profit *and still claiming to be the definitive source
for the software* is getting tiresome. gated and X11 are two
examples of this. What next ? How muuch of >your< code is
being sold by others claiming to own it ?
all of it. the amazing part is when folks remove the copyrights and
authorship credits, even though the copyrights just specify that the
copyrights shall not be removed and that i not be sued -- there are
no other restrictions in rtty, bind, cron, or even my little libraries
like bitstring and avltree. i've twice now been hired as a consultant
by companies who were, unknowingly it seemed, including my code in
their products after editing out the original copyrights and credits.
(in one case i was paid to fix a bug in code the payor didn't know was
originally mine.)
but you know what? i'm flattered. all that hype about how commercial
grade code can only come from strong engineering companies with good
funding, real management, and so on -- and there's my code at the heart
of a couple of products i won't mention here, with my name ripped out.
seeing my code used in this way just tells me that i don't charge enough
when i'm out consulting.
and for the record, i still think the GPL is very evil.
and also for the record, we're commercializing BIND since i'm no longer
able to fund it out of my own pocket (my pocket is now empty) and we
ended up not getting the kind of donations we needed as a nonprofit.
while i'm committed to keeping a freely redistributable version and to
shipping source code, i've got to be realistic about my mortgage payment
and the lack of speed and quality of BIND's evolution when it can only
get worked on by volunteers. in that sense i very much applaud what
the merit folks have done with gated, and what the sendmail,inc. guys
are doing with sendmail.
I think we should now disappear, since this is NANOG and this thread
is not quite an operational issue. Yet.
as a coauthor of RFC 2010 and as the specific author of section 2.1, i
don't agree. reference implementations with widely reviewable source
code are THE reason that the internet can be "operated" at all.
but you know what? i'm flattered. all that hype about how commercial
grade code can only come from strong engineering companies with good
funding, real management, and so on -- and there's my code at the heart
of a couple of products i won't mention here, with my name ripped out.
seeing my code used in this way just tells me that i don't charge enough
when i'm out consulting.
Well... let's face facts here, you are involved and have been involved
for a long time in the development of software that is instrumental in the
operation of the Internet. It does not surprise me at all that what you
speak of is happening.
and also for the record, we're commercializing BIND since i'm no longer
able to fund it out of my own pocket (my pocket is now empty) and we
ended up not getting the kind of donations we needed as a nonprofit.
Does this mean the ISC is going away?
pacbell!vixie!paul
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