"Everyone should be deploying BCP 38! Wait, they are …."

Here's a piece which uses the MIT ANA data to assert that the job is mostly done already.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, it appears that a large percentage of the failed BCP 38 spoofing tests listed in that data are actually due to customer side NAT routers dropping packets...

which is of course egress filtering rather than ingress filtering, and thus doesn't actually apply to our questions.

Am I interpreting that correctly?

http://www.senki.org/everyone-should-be-deploying-bcp-38-wait-they-are/

(Oh, and bcp38.info is now the number 2 Ghit for "bcp38"; thanks to 5 new contributors for signing up to help so far this week.)

Cheers,
- jra

That article is terrible.

Looking at the stats provided, only 2582 unique AS's were tested.
http://www.cidr-report.org/as2.0/#General_Status has over 46k AS's
currently in the routing table.

This means they have tested around 5% of the AS's on the Internet.

Dave

Barry is a well respected security researcher. I'm surprised he posted this.

In his defense, he did it over a year ago (June 11, 2012). Maybe we should ask him about it. I'll do that now....

I'm not surprised in any regard. There are too many names for BCP-38, SAV, SSAC-004, BCP-84, Ingress Filtering, etc..

There are many networks that perform this best practice either by "default" through NAT/firewalls or by explicit configuration of the devices.

There are many networks that one will never be able to measure nor audit as well, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to work on tracking back spoofed packets and reporting the attacks, and securing devices.

- Jared

Below:

Barry is a well respected security researcher. I'm surprised he
posted this.

In his defense, he did it over a year ago (June 11, 2012). Maybe
we should ask him about it. I'll do that now....

I'm not surprised in any regard. There are too many names for
BCP-38, SAV, SSAC-004, BCP-84, Ingress Filtering, etc..

This is why I am now using the phrase "anti-spoofing" when talking
about this in public. It far less cryptic, and I am breaking into
bite-sized components that people can actually understand.

As engineers & technical people, we need to start using language
people can wrap their brains around easily.

Remember: We are living in the age of instant gratification and
Attention Deficit Disorder. :slight_smile:

- - ferg

There are many networks that perform this best practice either by
"default" through NAT/firewalls or by explicit configuration of the
devices.

There are many networks that one will never be able to measure nor
audit as well, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to work
on tracking back spoofed packets and reporting the attacks, and
securing devices.

- Jared

- --
Paul Ferguson
VP Threat Intelligence, IID
PGP Public Key ID: 0x54DC85B2

Well, it did strike me, when someone cited the same data last week, that
it seemed an awful lot of stew to make from that few oysters.

I suppose it does depend on what percentage of end nodes are subsumed
by those AS's, but there's no authoritative way to know that from on top.

Cheers,
-- jra

I agree that Barry's post can be read in misleading ways and I seem to
recall chatting about that with him at some point.

As to one poster's comment about random sampling, I'm pretty sure the
Spoofer project likely fell short in a number of ways (e.g. being
documented in not every language).

So, if NATs prevent (many? most?) end-user machines for being able inject
spoofed IPv4 source addresses (IPv6 home gateways may well not provide such
protection), maybe we should conclude that most of the spoofing is coming
from somewhere else; perhaps including colo and cloud providers.

I wonder how many users/admins of those kinds of machines ran the Spoofer
test SW.

Tony

+1

It's also more semantically correct, in many cases.

My theory - not yet backed by data - is that probably most spoofed traffic these days does in fact emanate from IDC networks, and that a non-trivial proportion of same emanates from a relatively small number of such networks.

In many cases, it's possible to put 'naked' hosts on home broadband connections, however - and how common that is, and what proportion of those broadband access networks don't run any form of anti-spoofing, is an open question.