different thinking on exchanging traffic

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A few days ago I posted a proposal for traffic exchange across an ATM
backbone specifically designed for that purpose. I am suggesting an NxOC-48
network with peers purchasing DS3 connections at their various geographic
locations, and establishing ATM PVCs with specified CBR's to their
respective peers. Each DS3 connection would allow up to 5 PVCs, with
over-subscription at a 2 to 1 maximum. In this scenario, a flat pricing for
a port would be about 5K/month, and CBR's would be set at a maximum of
10K/mo for full DS3 bandwidth.

Since the beginning of this thread, I have been in contact with several
venture capital firms to feel out the support from the financial world about
making this do-able. I have estimated the costs involved with the fiber and
switch purchases at about US 691MM for sunk capital costs, and approximately
250K/mo for operating expenses.

With strong indications of its fiscal viability, I am now asking you, the
potential consumers of such a service, your distinct opinions, and whether
or not you would purchase such a service if made available.

Specifically, if I build it, will you come.

Your response will determine whether or not I will proceed in my discussions
with the VCs, and will probably be incorporated into a supporting document
in the application for funding. It is understood that no statement you make
in regard to this letter will be legally binding, and will in no wise
obligate you to purchase this service if and when it becomes available.

I'm really asking you all to do me a favor by letting me know if you'd like
to see this or not. If so, great. If not, I'd rather spend my energy on
something that'll be successful.

Please respond to me directly, and include your name, title, your company's
name, and a day-time telephone number.

Thanks much,
Jonathan Arneault
jarneault@inet-solutions.net

2

Do you realize that what you are suggesting is nothing more or less than
yet another national Internet backbone provider? And that the architecture
you are proposing is nothing more or less than the architecture that many
existing backbones already use?

3

Hmmm. This sounds like Qwest. Plans for an OC192 backbone with bandwidth
to anyone. Already planning to do the InterGIGAPOP net for Internet2.

Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:30:32 -0400
From: Jonathan Arneault <jarneault@inet-solutions.net>
Subject: different thinking on exchanging traffic
To: nanog@merit.org
Reply-to: jarneault@inet-solutions.net

A few days ago I posted a proposal for traffic exchange across an ATM
backbone specifically designed for that purpose. I am suggesting an NxOC-48
network with peers purchasing DS3 connections at their various geographic
locations, and establishing ATM PVCs with specified CBR's to their respective
peers. Each DS3 connection would allow up to 5 PVCs, with over-subscription at
a 2 to 1 maximum. In this scenario, a flat pricing for a port would be about
5K/month, and CBR's would be set at a maximum of 10K/mo for full DS3
bandwidth.

Since the beginning of this thread, I have been in contact with several
venture capital firms to feel out the support from the financial world about
making this do-able. I have estimated the costs involved with the fiber and
switch purchases at about US 691MM for sunk capital costs, and approximately
250K/mo for operating expenses.

With strong indications of its fiscal viability, I am now asking you, the
potential consumers of such a service, your distinct opinions, and whether or
not you would purchase such a service if made available.

Specifically, if I build it, will you come.

Your response will determine whether or not I will proceed in my discussions
with the VCs, and will probably be incorporated into a supporting document in
the application for funding. It is understood that no statement you make in
regard to this letter will be legally binding, and will in no wise obligate
you to purchase this service if and when it becomes available.

I'm really asking you all to do me a favor by letting me know if you'd like to
see this or not. If so, great. If not, I'd rather spend my energy on
something that'll be successful.

Please respond to me directly, and include your name, title, your company's
name, and a day-time telephone number.

Thanks much,
Jonathan Arneault
jarneault@inet-solutions.net

Dave Nordlund d-nordlund@ukans.edu
University of Kansas 785/864-0450
Computing Services FAX 913/864-0485
Lawrence, KS 66045 KANREN

4

On the topic of exchange traffic. Is it necessary for both parties
who will be exchanging traffic to have an as number?

From what I understand in order to have the routes announced to the

internet this will be needed.

Sorry for the primative question.

5

On the topic of exchange traffic. Is it necessary for both parties
who will be exchanging traffic to have an as number?

  Technically speaking, no.

From what I understand in order to have the routes announced to the
internet this will be needed.

  Today's "Internet" is a superset of internet providers interconnected
  using a common EGP routing protocol -- BGP4. To participate in a 'NAP'
  and exchange routes with volumous amounts of peers, BGP4 is pretty
  much a necessity. In most all cases, BGP4 requires that the person
  announcing routes use a unique ASN.

  If you want your upstream to provide the routing announcements for
  you, they can anounce your networks with their ASN.