Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What happened?
If its like Montreal.
The cost of electricity is getting high enought that Colo Space is better spend per rack than on a cage.
I saw Colo literally double the price of big customer (cages) to get ride of them for rack space.
Philip Lavine wrote:
Try VZN/MCI Carteret, down the Turnpike about 8 miles.
They claim to be full too, at least from a power perspective. They won’t run us more power until the city council aproves them running more power to the building.
-jim
There are likely to be sub leases available from tenants in existing.
desirable, colocation and a good way to find them is via brokers.
Be aware of a few things that have recently transpired.
On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told
analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year
so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is
fluid and many facilities are being expanded both space and
environmental, that most locations really are full or being held
down by lack of cooling for existing dense rack space. Basically
get ready to hold out your wallet.
I'd try Internap as a last resort (but a great one). Internap
presence is not always facilities based (they own) but they tend
to take inventory in good colo, place PNAP's, and sublet adjoining
cabinets as Internap space. The catch is that if the facility is
out of power, Internap is subjected to the same issues by default.
I'm suggesting Internap because they have a good footprint and
there's bound to be something somewhere.
-M<
On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told
analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year
so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is
fluid and many facilities are being expanded both space and
environmental, that most locations really are full or being held
down by lack of cooling for existing dense rack space. Basically
get ready to hold out your wallet.
Is it that?
Or, is it some of these companies no realising that charging $250 for a 20 amp outlet is less than their cost, even three years ago?
I don't know, but I was selling only measured power in 2001 and people liked
it. Granted, power was cheaper, but pay as you go was a good model. You still
had to cool to breaker density, but it was nice to have no power risk and I
would recommend that anyone who can, should convert to measured power billing.
Remember when folks thought Exodus was crazy for 220w per square foot?
-M<
Marty Said...
>>On many of the public colo houses earnings calls, they told
>>analysts that they are trying to keep contracts to one year
>>so they can raise prices year over year, that power pricing is
>>fluid and many facilities are being expanded both space and
>>environmental, that most locations really are full or being held
>>down by lack of cooling for existing dense rack space. Basically
>>get ready to hold out your wallet.
Well, Peter Van Camp of Equinix was asked this during the (extremely
informative) Equinix call for Q1 and said that many contracts being signed
are still 2-year. The analyst who asked it made the (correct) assertion that
shorter contracts are more advantageous now (for IDC providers), considering
the tight data center market. And the market is really tight, especially in
particular areas. I expect to see many more NANOG postings "where can I find
good colocation in area X" over the next year.
Of course, the colocation companies must raise their prices - for one thing,
many folks got sweetheart deals during the lean years. For another, energy
prices are way up, as we've all noticed, and IDCs use lots of juice.
Finally, its supply and demand.
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>Is it that?
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>Or, is it some of these companies no realising that charging $250
>for a 20 amp outlet is less than their cost, even three years ago?I don't know, but I was selling only measured power in 2001 and people
liked
it. Granted, power was cheaper, but pay as you go was a good model. You
still
had to cool to breaker density, but it was nice to have no power risk and
I
would recommend that anyone who can, should convert to measured power
billing.
If energy prices keep going up, one would think that submetered power would
be the wave of the future, so that colos can pass through electricity prices
- both direct electrical power consumed by the equipment, and the HVAC
needed to dissipate the heat. The move to super-dense server platforms is a
real killer. Anyone know of many colos currently submetering individual
tenants?
Remember when folks thought Exodus was crazy for 220w per square foot?
Well, in hindsight that aspect of their plan was visionary. I don't suppose
if anyone knows if the Exodus designed were seeking to future-proof in
general, anticipated these dense server platforms, or just wanted to build
more bigger?
- Dan
BTW, for the folks who like this stuff, there will hopefully be some great
datacenter-related talks at NANOG this time, thanks to Josh Snowhorn. Its
not too late to make a submission... 
265w/sqft can just handle today's typical blade server power density
(allowing for a reasonable amount of wire management and slightly less
than full blade loading). If you look at the densities of newly released
blade servers, it is not hard to hit 300w+ / sq ft. The more amusing
part is those attempting to cool this via raised floor systems, as it takes
24 to 30" of raised floor to achieve the necessary airflow, and this is
only going to get worse.
/John
My guess (this being NJ) is an aftereffect of the 9/11/2001 disaster.
By five years after, most companies who could be affected by such an
outage may have relocated a continuing-operations set of machines to one
or more colo data centers. I don't know why the data centers would not
have expanded to meet the influx, though.
I think most of us have expanded. 
I know Focal/Broadwing has space in Jersey City at 1 Evertrust Plaza. Joe, I know you aren't the original poster, but I'm hoping he or she is still reading this thread too.
-Robert
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Joseph S D Yao wrote:
Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What happened?
My guess (this being NJ) is an aftereffect of the 9/11/2001 disaster.
By five years after, most companies who could be affected by such an
outage may have relocated a continuing-operations set of machines to one
or more colo data centers. I don't know why the data centers would not
have expanded to meet the influx, though.
Five years after 9/11 you would think that people would have located business continuity ops much further away (assuming the businesses are based in NYC) than NJ. I'm sure that regulations require them to be x miles or in another state. But all things should considered... even the capability for major catastrophic incident(s) to affect primary and (nearby) secondary sites.
I think the reasons are probably due to companies/governments thinking (hoping?) that in the event of a catastrophic event the business would be able to get ppl from site A to site B. To me it is ridiculous to assume that anyone would be left at site A, or even in the vicinity of site A. And if they are still around site A after a catastrophic event, would they behave normally and could they be counted on (families, fears, trauma, etc)? I'm an employee, but in desperate times my family comes first (that is a no brainer decision that every CIO should think about).
Put your major data/ops centers on different continents, or at least on different coasts. Not big enough to do that? Outsource to someone who is. Don't want to spend the money? Partner with a non-competing similar business that is strategically located away from yours. Don't do the minimum to insure your business survival, do the maximum.
Disclaimer: I work for someone who provides outsourcing services including the area of business continuity.
-Jim P.
Google Adsense has been down for several hours now. This is the interface that partners use to manage
their advertising settings.
And this is reported on nanog because...?
Because this is the Internet's most profitable advertising service and ISP's
will get complaints if their customers (esp. business customers) can't reach
it, even on the weekend. Outage reports are operational, unlike many
threads. More, please.
Daniel Golding
OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the website comes up with:
"The Google AdSense website is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later.
We apologize for any inconvenience."
This is a big deal and it is operational in nature.
Not sure I'd agree with that one. If there was an actual networking issue
and you couldn't reach Google, I'd buy that it is at least in the right
ballpark of on-topic for nanog (though if past history is any guide, it
would just be 20 "me too" posts with no useful information about WHY it
was broken or how to go about fixing it). But if you can get the website
to load, and Google's servers just don't want to run that particular
application, I can't see how it possibly has any bearing to NANOG.
Layers people.
Eh, sort of:
http://adsense.blogspot.com/?utm_source=aso&utm_campaign=ww-en_US-et-asfe&medium=et
This is what happens when end-users/customers are intermingled
operationally.
-M<
OK - more: Don't have an answer as to why, but the website comes up with:
"The Google AdSense website is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later.
We apologize for any inconvenience."This is a big deal and it is operational in nature.
It is fully functional at London Heathrow @ 1000 BST (0500 EDT).
Maybe this is / was a middleware issue.
Regards
Marshall