We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular Linksys 54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears.
Does anyone have any leads to information about such products (In production or planned production)?
We are thinking that most vendors are going to wait until Ma and Pa home user are screaming for them.
Thoughts?
Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular Linksys 54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears.
Does anyone have any leads to information about such products (In production or planned production)?
We are thinking that most vendors are going to wait until Ma and Pa home user are screaming for them.
Thoughts?
You're correct, out of the box there aren't many. The first couple that come to mind are the Apple Airport Express and Airport Extreme, but I don't believe Linksys/Netgear/etc. have support out of the box.
Biased opinion because we distribute/sell Tilgin related products, but
they are supposed to do IPv6....
Having said that, we have not lab tested them ourselves and plan to
early next year....
Paul
Apple has been shipping the Airport Extreme and Express (consumer router) with v6 support since 2007, if I recall correctly. They can also create a 4to6 tunnel automatically.
-Matt Dodd
Matthew Dodd wrote:
Apple has been shipping the Airport Extreme and Express (consumer router) with v6 support since 2007, if I recall correctly. They can also create a 4to6 tunnel automatically.
By 4to6 to you mean IPv4 on the inside and IPv6 on the outside?
Wade Peacock
Sun Country Cablevision Ltd
He is confused, and means 6to4.
Also the airport extreme does not do DHCPv6-PD or anything (as far as I know, they certainly did not last time I tried), so I don't know that we'd really call them an IPv6 CPE in the way that I suspect Wade means.
I meant to say 6to4, sorry about that. Nothing special there.
-Matt
4to6 would be a mighty nice feature on a CPE =)
===> If you are thinking about only giving a v6 address to a CPE and still
offering a v4 service, there is a technology for that, it is called
dual-stack lite. See
http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-softwire-dual-stack-lite-02.txt
- Alain.
The AVM FRITZ!Box series that is very popular in Germany has gained
initial IPv6 support on their largest box (7270) in a lab firmware
some time ago
http://www.avm.de/en/news/artikel/IPv6_Lab.html
Regards,
Bernhard
There are specifications for them being developed in the IETF, BBF, and Cable Labs. Basically, all of the usual suspects are interested in having product that meets needs.
I challenge the usual suspects to deliver actual working dual stack IPv6 ADSL CPE rather than feigning interest. None of the major CPE vendors appear to have a v6 plan despite your claims. We have an IPv6 dual stack trial for ADSL going on and not a single CPE from the _major consumer CPE vendors_.
Come on CPE vendors - most of your run Linux in your CPEs these days. How hard is it to make it work? Someone got an image working for us with OpenWRT in his spare time in a week, surely you CPE vendors can cobble something together for people to try out in a real piece of ADSL CPE I can buy at a shop? I don't mean 6to4 or pseudo dual stack stuff. I mean real ADSL CPE with dual stack PPP and DHCPv6 in one box.
MMC
There are specifications for them being developed in the IETF, BBF,
and Cable Labs. Basically, all of the usual suspects are interested in
having product that meets needs.
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking
the topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6
enable internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever
popular Linksys 54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears.
Does anyone have any leads to information about such products (In
production or planned production)?
We are thinking that most vendors are going to wait until Ma and Pa
home user are screaming for them.
fred. check your mail system. it is regurgitating email from 2001,
except it is modifying the headers to have current dates.
randy
Would you consider Juniper SSG5 as a Consumer Grade router?
They do IPv6 and they are pretty good in general, and cheap as well.
Mehmet
Wade Peacock wrote:
We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the
topic of client equipment came up.
We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable
internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular Linksys
54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears.
Does anyone have any leads to information about such products (In
production or planned production)?
We are thinking that most vendors are going to wait until Ma and Pa home
user are screaming for them.
For ADSL, we've been punting Ovislink gear for a few years. In the past,
I've had very good results with having feature requests implemented by
the firmware developers (sometimes while I'm on the phone with them,
literally). I haven't pushed the v6 thing too hard yet, as our DSL is
wholesale'd out, and the wholesaler(s), unlike myself, don't do IPv6.
I will gladly rekindle the relationship with the Ovislink dev contacts
regarding IPv6, as I'm sure they will respond if there is a show of
potential hardware sales to a few ISPs larger than I am.
Steve
The fact that someone got OpenWRT working in less than a week of spare
time makes it totally clear why the commercial vendors haven't done
anything: They're just simply not interested, nothing more, nothing
less.
There's obviously no technical barrier whatsoever (otherwise, again,
OpenWRT wouldn't work). If it can be done in a week of developer
time there's barely even an economic barrier.
It's just disinterest.
Linksys, being owned by the world's largest router vendor and being
confronted with actual independently-developed working code for their
hardware platforms, have the least excuse out of any of them. Years
and years of talk, and no customer-visible action whatsoever. What
an exceptionally ordinary performance.
See you in Melbourne next week, Fred 
- mark
Depends. Can I get one at Frys for $69.95 and set it up with
a web browser?
- mark
No. Way too expensive and virtually 100% of consumers would not be
able to install it on their own.
The Apple products do 6to4 out of the box, but don't support v6 natively.
Apple seems to have ideological objections to DHCPv6, so at the moment
there's little hope at all that prefix delegation will work on any of their
CPE products.
- mark
That would be cool, a nice box running JUNOS for seventy bucks, gimme two !!
Cheers
Jorge