Guys/girls/furry-creatures-from-!Earth,
Complaining on nanog-ml is likely to only achieve personal stress relief.
This is something you should bring up with your vendor. Say that you'll
move vendors if they don't start making "better" BGP implementations and
adding the features you guys want. Make the list of "better" features
open, public, and actively solicit alternatives. Follow up on your threat.
This is your business bottom line after all.
Don't just use it as a reason to get lower prices from your current vendor
and then continue complaining when dumb crap like this occurs.
It would be great if vendor(s) participated in a public interoperability
test suite where researchers could test their stuff against it before
unleashing it on the public internet. I'd love to see something public
-and- cross institutional, -and- include access to things like CRS-level
equipment.
Go on, I dare you. 
2c,
Adrian
Maybe the NANOG conference committee (or whatever its called) could get a
couple of major router vendor gerbils to come to the next NANOG and talk to
this issue?
Maybe?
Okay, I give up.
- - ferg
Paul,
Maybe the NANOG conference committee (or whatever its called) could get a
couple of major router vendor gerbils to come to the next NANOG and talk
to
this issue?
Maybe?
Okay, I give up.
Recently I've been involved in some issues such as this working with
Alcatel Lucent and Cisco to jointly test how their routing protocols
interact with each other. As I think you try to point out, it was like
herding cats, pushing jelly up the wall, mowing the lawn with scissors
etc.
However one of the aspects that came out of this was that it required some
changes by service providers. Burgess from the RTG at Cisco has commited
to working with me and Alcatel to put together a presentation on this for
the NANOG community (hopefully it would be something that the PC would be
interested in). I doubt this will be ready for the next meeting but should
be for the one after.
If we allow vendors just to throw in the towel on these issues then its
the service provider community to blame. In my view we have bit by bit
step by step ended up in a very dark place. With our entire planet now
completely reliant on Internet and Data networks its time for action.
Regards,
Neil.