I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to shop?
Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question
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I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended up spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it). www.ipv4auctions.com
Christopher Dye
Chief Technology Officer
Paragon Solutions Group, Inc.
So far, some of the off-list responses that I’ve seen from my inquiry are beating out the pricing that shows on Hilco Streambank’s site.
Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so I'd be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller blocks, though, /22 and smaller.
I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller just in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going to be out.
That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.
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Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
unWired Broadband, Inc.
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Me too, but "will" instead of "may".
Jeremy Austin
Note that ARIN has a list of "Registered Transfer Facilitators" at:
https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html
I've just started look into buying a /20. So far, Hilco Streambank auction
prices seemed better than the two other facilitators I have communicated
with. If this whole topic is off target for this list, off list responses
would be welcome..., also pointers to any other appropriate forum.
Thanks,
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About $10/address seems to be the going rate, so why do you say you paid too much?
Owen
I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller just in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going to be out.
That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.
Probably others as well, but afaik RIPE NCC's courses are targeting the SP side a bit more to start getting your feet wet:
https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/ipv6/outline
https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/advanced-ipv6/outline
How that interacts with your particular equipment etc. is a bigger question...
Hi Hugo,
Thanks for the response to the IPv6 part of my e-mail. Unfortunately, I don't think our company will send anyone to London for training. I would hope that there would be something in the United States that would be available. I know the IPv6 basics, just not real plan on deploying it on a service provider network.
Kind Regards,
Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
unWired Broadband, Inc.
www.getunwired.com
Apologies; I had looked at some of the NCC's online material and got stuck in the "it's all online these days, right?" bubble...
Excuse the noise...
Step 1: Figure out what size block you should have requested and go back and get that.
Sure, that’s a little bit flip, but I’m actually serious. Most ISPs will need more than a /32 unless they are fairly trivial.
Instead of starting from a /32 and figuring out how to squeeze your customers into it, you should start from the number of end-sites you expect to serve from your largest serving site (POP or other aggregation point in your network) in the next, say 5 years.
Round that up to a nibble boundary with 25% free.
For example, if your largest site has fewer than 192 end-sites served, 8 bits is enough. If you have 192 or more but less than 3072, 12 bits is enough.
IF you have a million customers in your largest serving site, you’re looking at 20 bits or more per serving site.
Next, figure out the number of serving sites you expect to have in the next 5 years and round that up to a nibble boundary (again with 25% free).
So, if you expect to have more than 12, but fewer than 192 serving sites, 8 bits is enough. Fewer than 12, you can get by with 4 bits. From 192-3071, 12 bits.
Now, add those two sets of bits together and subtract from 48.
That’s your prefix size that you need to ask for.
I’m quite certain you can get that size prefix if you’ve done the exercise correctly because that’s exactly how the policy is written.
Owen
I spent about five minutes looking for that list earlier today and couldn't find it. Thanks, Brough.
If you aren't advised to at least analyze the potential to avoid buying and
using v6, you'd be getting bad advice. With that said:
For large blocks, >/16, you're going to want to work with a *reputable*
broker that understands how the market works. The two I am consistent in
pointing to are Addrex and Hilco Streambank. They seem to be both reputable
and knowledgeable. There are many others. You can speak with each if
necessary and ask about experiences. Being registered with an RIR is not a
requirement to participate in the market as a broker.
For the smallish blocks, < /16, I'd point to the Hilco auction platform.
Appears to be able to process small transactions reliably and you can price
track with the public data. And it's automated.
There are pitfalls when acquiring IPv4 addresses, including whether you
want them to be assets or to be leases. The regions are treating legacy
addresses and transfers differently. V4 addresses are usable globally and
there are enough people here as well as broker knowledge to help you
navigate that as well. Brokers can guide you through these decisions and
which markets to acquire them in based on your needs and objectives, which
RIRs to work with and how to transfer addresses.
I've been recommending folks avoid transferring space from friends. Failed
transactions can be costly in many ways.
YMMV.
Best,
-M<
If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of
truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that
transition.
It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is
going for in the transfer market.
Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you,
then one could argue you are cheating the system.
I’m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client’s use case can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their annual operating cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which they’d land in — if they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct allocation, rather than the default /32 direct allocation.
That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
Makes sense. In that case, I think only way out is to go through a broker
to find a suitable party for a transfer. I would read the rules and
regulations regarding transfer of ARIN blocks, they have some details and
the process requires some paperwork.
Hi,
Apologies; I had looked at some of the NCC's online material and
got stuck in the "it's all online these days, right?" bubble...
the RIPE NCC does have material that anybody can use, and is available
online. There are webinars about how to prepare an IPv6 Addressing
Plan
(https://www.ripe.net/support/training/learn-online/webinars/ipv6-addres
sing-plan),
also available as a recording here:
https://www.ripe.net/support/training/learn-online/webinars/webinar-reco
rdings/webinar-ipv6-addressing-plan
More important, there's the RIPE NCC Academy:
Which has an IPv6 Training Course, and is available to everyone for free
.
While these resources are not covering everything you need to know in
order to implement IPv6 in an ISP environment, I'm sure they really
help getting you started.
Disclaimer: I work in the training department at the RIPE NCC (and
yes, it's me in the Addressing Plan webinar video!), but I'm not
representing RIPE NCC here. If you have any other question on the
material/courses/anything, please feel free to email me.
Ciao!
- --
Massimiliano Stucchi
MS16801-RIPE
Do you seek information on how to plan subnetting or on more technical
issues like how to dual stack your network? In the later case, you would
need to tell more about your network. Eg. if you have a MPLS network (like
we do) and you have your internet in a L3VPN enabling IPv6 is really easy
and has almost no impact on the network.
As an alternative to the plan that Owen describes, I can offer the way we
did it: Our IPv6 address plan is tied to our IPv4 addressing, such that
there is a mapping from IPv4 address to IPv6 /48 prefix. That way we do not
need to allocate IPv6 as such.
The mapping is a database with IPv4 /24 as key and IPv6 /40 as value.
Example:
85.204.120.0/24 maps to 2a00:7660:500::/40.
Take the user with the IPv4 address 85.204.120.12. This address maps to
2a00:7660:50b::/48. Note that 12 is "0b" in hexadecimal.
We are an eyeball network where most users have only one single IPv4
address. We assign the IPv4 addresses statically (never changes). A few
users bought extra IPv4 address and that creates a hole in our address
plan, but we do not care. Officially the extra /48 is not assigned to the
user, because that would be against the rules.
Our address plan creates a very efficient allocation scheme, that is not
strictly needed as you have the more loose ARIN rules (we are in RIPE).
Regards,
Baldur