Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:24:01 +0900
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
> I think ACLs here means prefix-lists ... or I hope that's what Randy
> meant?
sorry. yes, irr based prefix lists. and, sad to say, data which have
sucked for 15+ years. i was the poster child for the irr, and it just
never took off.
[ irr data are pretty bad except for some islands where there is culture
of maintining them. and, as it is a global internet, islands don't
help much. europe and japan are two islands with better than the
average irr data quality. and they have rpki rolling to varied
degrees. ]
The day of reasonable accuracy of the IRR ended when UUnet bought
ANI. Since ANI actually used the IRR to generate there router configs
and ANI was pretty big, people were really forced to register. Curtis
had a lot of excellent software that did all sorts of impressive stuff
with the IRR, but I guess that all went into the bit bucket when UUnet
took over.
Very, very sad!
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:24:01 +0900
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
> I think ACLs here means prefix-lists ... or I hope that's what Randy
> meant?
sorry. yes, irr based prefix lists. and, sad to say, data which have
sucked for 15+ years. i was the poster child for the irr, and it just
never took off.
[ irr data are pretty bad except for some islands where there is culture
of maintining them. and, as it is a global internet, islands don't
help much. europe and japan are two islands with better than the
average irr data quality. and they have rpki rolling to varied
degrees. ]
The day of reasonable accuracy of the IRR ended when UUnet bought
ANI. Since ANI actually used the IRR to generate there router configs
s/NI/NS/g
and ANI was pretty big, people were really forced to register. Curtis
s/NI/NS/
had a lot of excellent software that did all sorts of impressive stuff
with the IRR, but I guess that all went into the bit bucket when UUnet
took over.
we did require you to email nacr-list@ 
that didn't help?
All sed jokes aside, would having attestations that the route you see
is part of a block assigned by IANA to ARIN and from ARIN to UUNET and
from UUNET to JoesCrabShuckers make sense to you? (and to your router
policy provided the router policy engine and code worked)
The efficacy of the IRR isn't at question, the ability to assure with
some level of reasonableness that the thing you see (and eventually
it's path to get to you) is "valid" is what the RPKI system is
building toward.
-Chris
Very, very sad!
(tears were shed)
had a lot of excellent software that did all sorts of impressive stuff
with the IRR, but I guess that all went into the bit bucket when UUnet
took over.
we did require you to email nacr-list@ that didn't help?
and he processed on wednesday, not exactly optimal for ops.
if we are listing those who gave good blood for the irr, joe lawrence
and roy alcala, of mci and later level(3), would be at the top of my
list.
randy