I'm looking into doing some research that will make use of GBICs(Gigabit Interface Converters),
but I need to know how many of you are using GBICs in your networks?
If you are using them, where do they fit into your topology?
-Lance-
Agilent Laboratories
lance_tatman@agilent.com
I think mostly any operator is using GBICs somewhere in there network.
We are using them at the edge and in the core.
I'm looking into doing some research that will make use of GBICs(Gigabit Interface Converters),
interesting info too: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0310/wodelet.html
but I need to know how many of you are using GBICs in your networks?
If you are using them, where do they fit into your topology?
Anyone who runs a provider network pretty much? heh..
We use them on all core routers and colo switch uplinks..
-hc
Hello,
I am also doing some research and would like to know how many of you are
using routers in your networks? I am considering making use of them, but
first I need to know where they fit into your topology?
k thx bye
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=75&e=18&u=/nf/22581
Plainly stated, routers no longer have a home in the core of the network.
"You might have found a router there five years ago, but most certainly
you have a switch today," said Yankee Group vice president Zeus Kerravala.
Whew, good thing I checked, I almost went out and bought routers for my
network. 
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Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
I'm looking into doing some research that will make use of GBICs(Gigabit
Interface Converters),
but I need to know how many of you are using GBICs in your networks?
If you are using them, where do they fit into your topology?Hello,
I am also doing some research and would like to know how many of you are
using routers in your networks? I am considering making use of them, but
first I need to know where they fit into your topology?Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More
Plainly stated, routers no longer have a home in the core of the network.
"You might have found a router there five years ago, but most certainly
you have a switch today," said Yankee Group vice president Zeus Kerravala.Whew, good thing I checked, I almost went out and bought routers for my
network.
Hmm, was that a news story or an advertisement for a certain N vendor
disguised as one?
Richard A Steenbergen writes on 10/30/2003 1:08 PM:
Plainly stated, routers no longer have a home in the core of the network. "You might have found a router there five years ago, but most certainly you have a switch today," said Yankee Group vice president Zeus Kerravala.
What brand of switch is this guy selling? And what is he smoking? Sure would be interesting to find out 
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: Richard A Steenbergen writes on 10/30/2003 1:08 PM:
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: > Plainly stated, routers no longer have a home in the core of the network.
: > "You might have found a router there five years ago, but most certainly
: > you have a switch today," said Yankee Group vice president Zeus Kerravala.
:
: What brand of switch is this guy selling? And what is he smoking? Sure
: would be interesting to find out
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scott
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:08:01 -0500
From: Richard A Steenbergen
Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More
Plainly stated, routers no longer have a home in the core of the network.
"You might have found a router there five years ago, but most certainly
you have a switch today," said Yankee Group vice president Zeus Kerravala.Whew, good thing I checked, I almost went out and bought routers for my
network.
So STP is now the control plane protocol of choice? 
Eddy
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:18:28 -0500
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
What brand of switch is this guy selling? And what is he
smoking? Sure would be interesting to find out
Maybe the Yankee Group is a subsidiary of Ncatal Ventures.
Eddy
Hmm. Don't you just love it when folks say things like "Layer 3 Switches are
better than routers". Its very illuminating as to clue level.
I suppose what they were trying to say, is that products that were designed
as switches, but are now running routing code, are superior to products that
were designed as routers, and are running routing code. Of course, this is
demonstrably false.
"Layer 3 Switch" is like "Tier 1 ISP" - meaningless marketing drivel,
divorced from any previous technical meaning.
Sure, gigabit Ethernet switches are great. Sure, they can do some light
routing tasks. But saying, essentially, that "core routers are obsolete, and
should be immediately replaced with somewhat less capable core routers" is
weak. Lets all be thankful they are now using ASICs, though! All that
software based routing was making me nervous - five years ago
- Daniel Golding
Routers exists everywhere; Catalist 6509, for example, IS A ROUTER not less
than A SWITCH. Perfectly, it is
a router with extensive switching capabilities.
Problem is that (1) most devices today support both L3 routuing and L2
switching (which is MAC level routing de facto), and (2) some devices
implement routing, using L2 mechanisms (mlp routing on 6509). But., from
network point of view, they do not stop to be a routers.
You can - insert switch into traditional router, insert router card into
traditional switch; in any case, you have _router_ and _switch_ (sometimes,
in the same box).
So, obsolete are not routers (esp. low end); obsolete is classification.
Alexei Roudnev
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:52:54 -0500
From: Daniel Golding
Lets all be thankful they are now using ASICs, though! All
that software based routing was making me nervous - five
years ago
Routing or forwarding?
Eddy
That was my thought.
Its "Dood, Where's my Core?" all over again!
> Maybe the Yankee Group is a subsidiary of Ncatal Ventures.
That was my thought.
Its "Dood, Where's my Core?" all over again!
It got lost in san franCisco.
Alex
Heh. Forwarding, of course.
- Dan
Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <dgolding@burtongroup.com>
Hmm. Don't you just love it when folks say things like "Layer 3 Switches
are
better than routers". Its very illuminating as to clue level.
I suppose what they were trying to say, is that products that were
designed
as switches, but are now running routing code, are superior to products
that
were designed as routers, and are running routing code. Of course, this is
demonstrably false."Layer 3 Switch" is like "Tier 1 ISP" - meaningless marketing drivel,
divorced from any previous technical meaning.
I've always stated that "switch" is a marketing term meaning "fast". Thus a
"L2 switch" is a "fast bridge" and a "L3 switch" is a "fast router". In
this light, the Yankee Group is just now catching on to something we all
knew a decade ago -- slow (i.e. software) routers are dead.
There's a more interesting level to the discussion if you look at what
carriers are interested in for their backbone hardware today; while I'm
obviously biased based on my employer, I've seen a lot more emphasis on
$20k-per-10GE-port "L3 switches" than $200k-per-10GE-port "core routers" in
the current economic climate.
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
Funny I thought a "switch" was a multiport bridge... uses the MAC
headers to flood. ahh makes me long for the days of Kalpana.
Scott C. McGrath