YouTube AS36561 began announcing 1.0.0.0/8

There are sizable chunks that are fairly quiet (un-interesting
numbers, luck of the draw, etc). Given that its mostly
mis-configurations, laziness, ignorance, or poor planning... I suspect
the worst ranges will need to be sacrificed, and the remaining 80-90%
of the space used for legitimate allocations. Unfortunately, anyone
who accepts allocations in 1.x will need to be aware that they will
have a slightly lower quality address-space. Accepting 1.1.1.0/24,
for example, will land you with a continuous 50mbps of junk...
seemingly forever... and a respectable chance that some percentage of
the net will never reach you, due to their own misconfigurations.

Practical solution:

Move YouTube to 1.1.1.1, Google to 1.1.1.2, Yahoo! to 1.1.1.3, Facebook
to 1.1.1.4, etc.

Maybe someone at YouTube was actually testing that strategy :wink:

... JG

From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgreco@ns.sol.net]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:53 PM
To: Nathan
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: YouTube AS36561 began announcing 1.0.0.0/8

> There are sizable chunks that are fairly quiet (un-interesting
> numbers, luck of the draw, etc). Given that its mostly
> mis-configurations, laziness, ignorance, or poor planning... I
suspect
> the worst ranges will need to be sacrificed, and the remaining 80-90%
> of the space used for legitimate allocations. Unfortunately, anyone
> who accepts allocations in 1.x will need to be aware that they will
> have a slightly lower quality address-space. Accepting 1.1.1.0/24,
> for example, will land you with a continuous 50mbps of junk...
> seemingly forever... and a respectable chance that some percentage of
> the net will never reach you, due to their own misconfigurations.

Practical solution:

Move YouTube to 1.1.1.1, Google to 1.1.1.2, Yahoo! to 1.1.1.3, Facebook
to 1.1.1.4, etc.

It is probably the best way to get 1.x free if it is used by big websites.
However I don't think that they will change it (to only use these IPs). I
think they have an interest somewhere to not change it...

Maybe someone at YouTube was actually testing that strategy :wink:

I have something else where I would be happy to accept 1.1.1.0/24 for some
time, just to try to get them change settings. If someone want information
about it, feel free to contact me off list.

Regards, Mark

..

It is probably the best way to get 1.x free if it is used by big websites.
However I don't think that they will change it (to only use these IPs). I
think they have an interest somewhere to not change it...

If they added a basic javascript-based 1.0.0.0/8 HTTP connectivity
test to www.youtube.com , and alerted users whose networks
definitely had issues, there might be some interesting results,
due to the site's popularity.

Alert as in 20 seconds interstitial message before a video the user
tried to play starts ... something like "Your network seems to have
some connectivity problems to the Youtube.com IP address 1.2.3.4
and 1.2.3.5, your video will start in XX seconds. Please contact
your network administrator."

It would be a decent strategy. But yes, I guess there's no real
reason for Youtube etc to do something like that, other than being
charitable, or someone paying them to do it (as in advertising fee),
plus a week's use of some 1.0.0.0/8 addresses is probably not a
long enough time for that.

Depending on how many (or few) issues there are with the /8, the RIR
should want something like this. If end user networks have
broken connectivity to the IP space, most of them might otherwise
never notice, causing harm and pain to 1.0.0.0/8 web/e-mail
address assignees setting up web and e-mail facilities with those
addresses that their prospective contacts/visitors never notice,
since user's attempt at initial contact simply failed, they never
met to do business (e.g. They assumed it was an old site that closed
down, broken link, etc)...