You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your
upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go...
- --Tiernan
Some concern expressed here:
http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2015/07/windows-10-launch-huge-traffic.html
Frank
'QoS problems are to be expected' . Uh?
Don't you put QoS into place just to ensure that the minimum bandwidth you need to ensure critical services (such that your voice traffic is not impeded for example) are NOT affected across your WAN links when there are big globs of data banging around?
Surely, If anything, this is the one case and time when the QoS deployment effort can be shown to have value (obviously the policies would already have been validated against saturated links as part of sign off)
alan
I have no status above "out-of-work old fart", and it has been a while since I was engaged in anything bigger than my four-PC, three-wiffy, one router network who still does not like Microsoft very much, but it seems clear to me that a lot of Big Disaster Windows 10 Experts have not read anything about what is actually going on.
So far, it has not worked here anything like what that article describes.
Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists
of concerns of varying levels of validity.
For privacy-minded individuals who are not interested in sharing lots
of stuff with Microsoft, there are install-time options to shut most of
that off. Don't use "Express Settings." Select "Customize settings"
and then turn most of the switches on the next two pages off.
The real issue is that lots of people will select the "express settings"
and then might have to do more work to undo the decisions made at this
step on their behalf. I do think it is rotten that the defaults for
the options are all "on."
... JG
Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists
of concerns of varying levels of validity.
really? read the legal fine print
You can download an ISO and burn it to install... Guessing if your
upgrading multiple machines, that would be the way to go...
You don't even need to burn it to install. Just mount the ISO and
run setup.exe
... JG
>> [Cryptography] Windows... Your choice but make it informed.
>
> Which appears to be about 25% crap, 30% FUD, and the remainder consists
> of concerns of varying levels of validity.really? read the legal fine print
Microsoft's new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
Again, a lot of crap and FUD mixed in there. It's legalese designed to
cover their arses, because they default the options to "On" and assume
most people will take the default. You CAN shut off the sharing. The
legalese doesn't mean that the information is shared despite the fact
that you configured your box not to share it.
The real problem is that so many people have outsourced their problems
to ${THE_CLOUD} that those of us who run our own services are now in
the tiny minority. I'm disappointed (but hardly shocked) to discover
that Microsoft doesn't support arbitratry CalDAV or CardDAV services
with their built-in apps, for example.
I realize I'm probably in another minority here, but as a Windows-hater,
I nevertheless find that there's a bunch of stuff I need to do that only
really works on Windows. What I really want is an up-to-date version
of Windows 98 or maybe XP. I don't need all the Microsoft-added cruft
for other things. I don't use their e-mail, or their calendar, or their
contacts, or their web browser (usually). Or pretty much any Metro app.
I understand why a lot of that crap is there, especially as they now
need to try to make Win10 workable and usable on multiple device types,
so I don't mind that they added it, and I understand that using any of
that crap could mean that ${MICROSOFT_CLOUD} gets involved. Doesn't
mean you have to use it! Windows 10 turns out to be fairly useful once
you take a hatchet to it and bludgeon out all the stuff obviously
intended for the average home user or the average phone user that is
just supposed to "magically work."
The legal fine print for most software is atrocious these days. This
isn't shocking, sadly. I can find egregious crap in lots of license
agreements and privacy statements out there.
You don't actually *HAVE* to use a Microsoft Account to sign into
Windows 10. If you DO sign in using a Microsoft Account, you're going
to be hooking your Windows box up to a bunch of cloud services that
you might not want or need. For many people, this may actually be the
right choice, because how else do you sync things between your desktop,
your laptop, your tablet, and your Windows phone? That carries with it
a lot of benefits for the average non-techie user, but is a privacy
issue as well. If you do that and then don't use any of their apps,
because maybe you browse the web with Chrome and you're heavily invested
in Google or Yahoo for mail, contacts, and calendar, you're still not
sharing the data ... with Microsoft. But that data's still out there
in someone's "cloud".
I could be very cynical (and yet probably come frighteningly close to
the mark) by noting that Microsoft is following in Google's footsteps
in amassing a wealth of data about users by providing these add-on
cloud services to users, and that the users are slowly becoming the
product instead of being the customer, which makes it even more
attractive to do the sorts of data collection and mining pioneered by
some of those other companies.
Yet none of this commits you. You don't have to share information.
You don't have to use a Microsoft Account. You don't have to use any
of their programs or apps that would share data. Screw them.
So, again, I say, the quoted article contains about 25% crap, 30% FUD,
and the remainder consists of concerns of varying levels of validity.
This isn't the apocalypse. People have willingly been exchanging
their privacy for free services on the Internet for many years. Those
of us who prefer not to rely on those services are also able to navigate
that maze.
... JG
Are users required to create any type of Microsoft cloud account (e.g., OneDrive, Office365, et alil) in order to install and use Windows 10? Of Office? Is it possible to simply use Windows 10 without any Microsoft or Google or Yahoo accounts?
Is the unique identifier available to advertisers only through IE (or its successor) OR will it also be available through Firefox/Chrome?
matthew black
california state university, long beach
Since the requirement is that users are upgrading from Win 7, 8, or 8.1
they've already had to create at least a minimal MS ID which means either
creating an email account on Outlook.com or providing an existing email
address and a password for MS.
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
Just as a point of debate, I've been using Windows 7 for quite some time and I do not, nor have I ever, given MS any email information or have I created a Live account.
You do not have to create or use a Microsoft account to use Windows 10 or any of the apps (other than the MS Store.) You can continue to log in to Windows using a local account.
Aaron Childs
Associate Director, Infrastructure Services
Information Technology Services
Wilson Hall - 577 Western Ave. Westfield MA 01086
I was just thinking about my remaining Win 7 box _after_ I hit send and I
believe you're correct (I have one still to upgrade). Which means users
upgrading from 7 to 10 will need to create an ID, but users of 8 and 8.1
will use the one they already have.
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
Nope. For the upgrade the only piece of information MSFT needed was your email if you chose email notification once the upgrade was ready for you.
After it's installed it will ask to finish up the install the 'Express' method which enabled a bunch of things like WIFI password sharing to friends and whatever else or if you chose the manual option like I did you can disable everything. It will also inherit your existing user settings, so if your user is a local one instead of a cloud one it will continue to be that way.
It does install One Drive but again, if you never configured it or used it then you'll simply see it in your task bar with the "welcome" or signup screen.
-justin
Justin,
That's true, but it takes effort for people to either set up a local
account or change to one, and very few consumers will do that or have.
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
I was just thinking about my remaining Win 7 box _after_ I hit send and I
believe you're correct (I have one still to upgrade). Which means users
upgrading from 7 to 10 will need to create an ID, but users of 8 and 8.1
will use the one they already have.
This is incorrect. While the Win 8{,.1} install process makes it
appear as though you need a Microsoft ID, you can actually go into
the "create a new Microsoft ID" option and there's a way to proceed
without creating a Microsoft ID, which leaves you with all local
accounts.
It does appear to be designed to make you THINK you need a Microsoft
account however.
I have a freshly installed Windows 8.1 box here (no Microsoft ID)
that I then upgraded to Windows 10, and it also does not have any
Microsoft ID attached to it. Activation shows as "Windows 10 Home"
and "Windows is activated." There's a beggy-screen on the user
account page saying something like "Windows is better when your
settings and files automatically sync. Switch to a Microsoft Account
now!"
So, again, totally optional, but admittedly the path of least
resistance has users creating a Microsoft Account or linking to
their existing one. You have to trawl around a little to get the
better (IMHO) behaviour.
... JG
Justin,
That's true, but it takes effort for people to either set up a local
account or change to one, and very few consumers will do that or have.
Wow, then, problem solved, because it's at least twice as hard to get
your Microsoft Account set up, configured, and verified.
The sticky point is that very few consumers will KNOW that they can
avoid the Microsoft account, and most won't take the time to explore
the various options and possibilities.
This isn't an effort thing. Setting up a local account is fairly
effortless. It's a matter of the option being hidden away, because it
is in Microsoft's interest to get everyone using the Windows cloud
magic.
... JG
It takes no effort at all. You just do the same thing as has been done with every previous version of windows:
When it asks for a LOCAL account and password, give it one. When it asks if you want to do a Microsoft Account", say no thank-you. Mind you, it does ask you about 8 times if you are REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY sure you don't want to create or use a Microsoft account (obviously because that must be worth a LOT of money to microsoft).
But you do not have to do it. And it is not difficult to avoid creating/using a microsoft account.
Nor does not having a Microsoft Account have any adverse effect. It just means that you cannot use the crappy apps or the crappy app store. The only failing that I find is that there is no way to actually get rid of all the cruft -- to say "I do not want to use a Microsoft Account so please permanently remove anything which requires it, or which cannot be maintained without it".
It is not as bad, however, as their propensity for turning the firewall off (and diddling the rules) everytime you get even the slightest update such that you have to go into the firewall settings on a daily basis and make sure they are still set the way YOU want them set and not the way Microsoft wants them set (Microsoft wants them completely disabled).
which is fine until Microsoft ties in future software upgrades to the app
store and you find that you can't upgrade without tying yourself into a
Microsoft account.
E.g. just like they did with the Windows 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade.
Nick