[whoisdatabase@hotmail.com: Re: Network Solutions Lists]

X-Sender: rmeyer@pop.mhsc.com
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:58:36 -0800
Reply-To: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@MHSC.COM>
Sender: Owner-Domain-Policy <owner-domain-policy@internic.net>
From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@MHSC.COM>
Subject: Report: Whois database for sale
X-To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@INTERNIC.NET>

I just called this guy at

  3000 Millsfield
  Dyersburg, TN 38024


  Administrative Contact:
     Promotion, Site (SP7502) spotfree@LOA.COM

A *real* person answers the phone. I had a very good discussion with him
and I mentioned that this call was part of the MHSC process leading to
submitting his site to the RBL. He confirmed the web-site and its stated
intention. I also pointed out that making whois contact information
available to spammers was a lot like "tugging on Superman's cape", not a
good idea as it would gain the extreme ire of every ISP on the planet, not
to mention every other domain-name holder. I also politely reminded him
that the whois information is for internet-related business ONLY and NOT to
be used for advertising.

In turn, he informed me that, as of this morning, he has decided to stop
this activity. It remains to be seen if he will do so. Chuck, I strongly
suggest that NSI follow this up with their own phone contact procedures.

It is amusing that he, at first, tried to say that he didn't send the SPAM,
but when I started to read excerpts from the text of his web-site he
abandoned that argument line.


To me, this indicates a serious problem at NSI. Y'all *had* to know that

some scum-bag was eventually going to do this. openly. I maintain that is
has been happening surreptitiously for some time, as this isn't the first
time someone has spammed my contact info addresses.

What it disappointing is that NSI doesn't already have a "canned" response

ready to go. It was definitely a forsee-able event. Is it maybe that you
are aware of the probable response and don't like it yourself?

To date we have tried very hard to avoid becoming content managers of the
Internet because we have never really been given any authorization to do


Also, how could it be done fairly and equitably?

Because of the concern for this issue though, we are discussing how this
might be done if in fact it can be done fairly and efficiently.


From: Benjamin Azevedo [SMTP:Editor@Opiniao.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 8:09 AM
Subject: Whois database for sale

To all and specially Chuck,

Spam received today offering access to domain owners email addresses.
With a registered domain to receive orders: http://www.targetedlists.com

As long as they start selling the list widely, we should expect even
more spam against domain contacts.

Isn't this offering a reason to immediately suspend/cancel this domain?
And maybe other associated domains too, as "targetedlists.com" has been
registered and possibly is disposable anyway.

Benjamin Azevedo

1)Spam received
Re: Network Solutions Lists
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:32:26 GMT
From: whois@finfin.com


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2)Info available on the annouced site
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How would people feel about having contact information available
via rwhois? On the one hand it might be less manageable overall, on the
other it would allow ISPs to have greater control over how their contacts
are polled.
  It would be near trivial to implement if there was interest.