What frame relay switch is causing MCI/Worldcom such grief?

So I guess that means you know more than all those smart people (on
both the service provider side and equipment side) who are helping
incorporate lessons from Frame Relay and ATM circuit routing into
MPLS?

Yep. I can put together two and two and get four. I'm not going to
read yet another lecture on computational complexity of adaptive circuit
routing but so far nobody figured out a way to make it work in a
network comparable to the current Internet in size. That's why
nobody is even attempting to do MPLS or whatever across IXPs and
only do in in the interior (actually this is also misguided, but
for different reasons, having more to do with implementation complexity).

BTW, a good many smart people who actually built the biggest chunks
of the Internet backbone and the software which keeps it running
share my opinion.

In any case, the argument that million lemmings cant be all wrong is
particularly hilarious. The issue of virtual circuit vs per-hop
routing was discussed extensively in this forum years ago (in ATM vs
IP context) and the consensus was pretty much against ATM. I would
advise you to review the archives and see for yourself. Since there
were no dramatic advances in either understanding of the problem,
circuit-routing algorithms, or basic computing technology (well, the
quantum computing can concievably solve the computablibity problem
for circuit routing, but not any time soon :slight_smile: i see little reason
to start the arguments all over again.

Of course, you may have something really new to say on the topic,
but i would check that that wasn't already beaten to death.

Regards,

--vadim

BTW, a good many smart people who actually built the biggest chunks
of the Internet backbone and the software which keeps it running
share my opinion.

And a good many of them disagree with you.

What happened to KISS is that ISP's continue to ask for features. Some of
them make a lot of sense. And some of them involve additional complexity.

Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.

Tony

If promising local isp's could get circuits turned up where they wanted
and _when_ they wanted, and these circuits never went down, then life
would be all good. Unfortunately, utopia isn't here yet. At least not
for some.

This leads to....

Traffic flows change faster than the topology in most cases.

Traffic measurements from end to end (per city flows) are also
easier to measure with the city to city pipe as it were.

/vijay