I can't for the life of me see why we'd have to deal with it in the course
of our jobs beyond calling someone and having them install more A/C. This
is, flat-out, off topic.
Andrew
[snip]
IMO, *operational, politics-free* discussion of items like these would
also be on topic for NANOG:- Some *operational* workarounds for country-wide blocking of
Facebook, Whatsapp, and Twitter [1], or Signal [2]
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2. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/12/20/world/middleeast/ap-ml-egypt-app-blocked.html
Steering things back towards the operational, the makers of Signal
announced today [1] an update to Signal with a workaround for the
blocking that I noted earlier. Support in iOS is still in beta.
The technique (which was new to me) is called 'domain fronting' [2].
It works by distributing TLS-based components among domains for which
blocking would cause wide-sweeping collateral damage if blocked (such
as Google, Amazon S3, Akamai, etc.), making blocking less attractive.
Since it's TLS, the Signal connections cannot be differentiated from
other services in those domains.
Signal's implementation of domain fronting is currently limited to
countries where the blocking has been observed, but their post says
that they're ramping up to make it available more broadly, and to
automatically enable the feature when non-local phone numbers travel
into areas subject to blocking.
The cited domain-fronting paper [2] was co-authored by David Fifield,
who has worked on nmap and Tor.
Royce
1. https://whispersystems.org/blog/doodles-stickers-censorship/
2. http://www.icir.org/vern/papers/meek-PETS-2015.pdf
Simply put… if the data that is hosted on the sites aforementioned then cough up the damn space and host it. Data space is cheap as hell these days, parse it and get the hell on with it already.
*Disclaimer*
not meant to single out any one party in this conversation but the whole subject all together. Need someone to help mirror the data ? I may or may not be able to assist with that. Provide the space to upload it to and the direction to the data you want. But beyond all that. This subject is plainly just off topic.
Simply put… if the data that is hosted on the sites aforementioned then cough up the damn space and host it. Data space is cheap as hell these days, parse it and get the hell on with it already.
*Disclaimer*
not meant to single out any one party in this conversation but the whole subject all together. Need someone to help mirror the data ? I may or may not be able to assist with that. Provide the space to upload it to and the direction to the data you want. But beyond all that. This subject is plainly just off topic.
Jason, understood. I clearly should have updated the subject line of
the thread, as you're not the first to continue to respond to the
subject line, instead of what I've been recently saying. 
My most
recent reply was about some operational aspects of country-wide Signal
blocking, not the OP topic.
I would almost consider updating the subject accordingly ... but at
this point, it's clear that transcendence of the amygdala will
continue to elude us, and this thread would apparently rather die than
suffer my attempts to beat it into a plowshare.
Royce
Hmm.. works for me.
You don't have any fiber that runs into regen shacks in low-lying areas
that didn't *used* to flood, do you?
Ask Verizon how much fun they had getting salt water off underground copper
after Sandy.
"If it's a politically-generated thing I'll have to deal with at an
operational level, it's on topic."Hmm.. works for me.
and do not omit the amplification attack of endless rinse repeat of
self-righteous pontification of what people should and should not post
randy
i mind not one iota to store some on my computer but it won't be accessible because i don't want to publish it until i can get a dedicated server
[..]
>>Everyone has a line at which "I don't care what's in the pipes, I just
>>work here" changes into something more actionable.
>
>Stretched far beyond any credibility. Your argument boils down to, "If it's
>a political thing that *I* like, it's on topic."I can see why you've concluded that. My final phrasing was indeed
ambiguous. I would have hoped that the rest of my carefully
non-partisan post would have offset that ambiguity.
There was no ambiguity, your argument was clear. I simply think you were wrong.
"If it's a politically-generated thing I'll have to deal with at an
operational level, it's on topic."That work?
That is indeed what I was trying to say - thanks, Ken.
Again, hard to see how the OP asking for assistance with his pet project fits any definition of "have to deal with at an operational level."
But now I'm repeating myself, so I'll leave it at that.
Doug